RANGE SCRAP........

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RANGE SCRAP........

Postby DuncaninFrance » Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:17 pm

While visiting my pals indoor range with blackisler & friends I asked if i could have the range scrap. Yes was the answer.
GREAT, no digging out just lift the mats and sweep it onto shovels!

Ah I hear you say, you will need to split the cases to get the lead out.

Well, I saw a video on The Reloade's Network which shows how to process it using an Arbour Press. (Can't find the link) Oooo, that looks like a good idea says I. NOT at the prices that they are selling the presse for here!

There has to be a more cost effective way says this Yorkshireman.........

There must be a way to do this with my LEE press.......

To be continued
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Re: RANGE SCRAP........

Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:47 am

Here is a link to the original video that got me thinking...................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phG9G9XiXgo&t=5s
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Re: RANGE SCRAP........

Postby Niner » Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:03 am

Now that's a bit too frugal for me. So after he cuts the bullets in half exposing the lead I suspect he has to heat the halved bullets up and drain the lead out. Then he has to separate the hulls from the lead some way it would seem. How is that done? Just curious.
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Re: RANGE SCRAP........

Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:39 pm

The copper, like the clamps on wheel weights will float to the top and be skimmed off very easily.
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Re: RANGE SCRAP........

Postby Niner » Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:05 pm

Will the cupro-nickle and steel jacket surplus rounds float to the top too?
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Re: RANGE SCRAP........

Postby Niner Delta » Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:42 pm

When I worked at a large paper mill back in the '70s, we had a "lead shop" that took care of all the lead
pipes, being a pipefitter I worked with them a lot. Did a lot of work with lead and IIRC, most
other metal is lighter that lead and will float to the top. And lead melts at a lower point than most other metals.
It always looked odd to see steel floating........ :shock:


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Re: RANGE SCRAP........

Postby Niner » Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:25 pm

OK.... thanks for explaining it to me. Never really thought about melting old jacketed bullets and separating out the lead nor educated about the science of melting metal stuff. Interesting. I would have imagined the lead having melted first would allow the steel to sink. Science never was my long suit.
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Re: RANGE SCRAP........

Postby Niner Delta » Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:29 pm

Almost all impurities like dirt, rust, any kind of crud will float too. Then just skim it all
off the top and you have the clean lead left....... :mrgreen:


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Re: RANGE SCRAP........

Postby Aughnanure » Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:56 pm

and that, Gentlemen, illustrates one of nature/sciences few little conveniences.

I might just add that if melting down pulled unfired bullets make sure that none of them are tracer or observation (explosive) rounds :bigsmile:

While on the subject, some years ago the antis found a sure-fire way to cause a bit of trouble, they calculated (or got someone to do it for them) just how much lead was being fired down range at Gosford, NSW.
Went to the relevant authorities and complained about he enormous amount of lead pollution, some dill in local government went along with it and the butts were inspected, to their chagrin the amount found was but a fraction of the shots fired, one factor that was not in the equation was the miserly habits of reloaders, particularly muzzle(re)loaders with big calibre rifles.

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Re: RANGE SCRAP........

Postby DuncaninFrance » Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:55 am

Well, I finished the Mk:I press last night. Will photograph and post this weekend. :razz:
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Re: RANGE SCRAP........

Postby DuncaninFrance » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:33 pm

No Pics because it didn't work...............BUGGER :loco:

Looks like a bolt cropper in the vice will be the only free :roll: solution
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Re: RANGE SCRAP........

Postby Aughnanure » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:34 am

Duncan,

Why not just apply heat?
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Re: RANGE SCRAP........

Postby DuncaninFrance » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:49 am

Split cases will melt more efficiently and some range scrap is complete. The range where I am getting the scrap is an indoor one therefore all scrap is clean & jacketed except .22lr.
Just seemed like a good plan :loco:
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Re: RANGE SCRAP........

Postby Aughnanure » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:16 pm

Duncan,

I've always found that the lead melts out of even full jackets and that they float to the top.

The old military range (now rows of houses) where we used to do test firings of Brens and Vickers guns, was also used on weekends by military rifle clubs, which were civilian clubs under the old training schemes, and 99.999% of the stuff in the butts was jacketed.
A civilian contractor used to keep the butts in order and he would shovel the projectiles into his melter, he sold the lead and the jackets as scrap.
I used to get the spoil from our indoor range.

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Re: RANGE SCRAP........

Postby DuncaninFrance » Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:37 am

When I get some of the scrap I will do a scientific test :loco: and try cut and whole bullets to see if there is a difference in time taken to separate the copper & lead. .......
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Re: RANGE SCRAP........

Postby joseyclosey » Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:45 pm

Are the scrap bullets total metal jackets Duncan? Any jacketed in my range scrap usually has an exposed base.
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Re: RANGE SCRAP........

Postby DuncaninFrance » Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:01 pm

Some are Joe but I won't know till I actually get it..............
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Re: RANGE SCRAP........

Postby Reese Williams » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:26 am

Duncain,

You seem hell bent on doing it the hard way. The above advice is correct, throw them in a pot and melt them down. The jackets and all the other dirt will float to the top where it can be skimmed off. the amount of lead that remains in the jackets is trivial. I've been recovering and recasting range lead for 40+years, from an outdoor range where you have to deal with dirt as well. A plumbers furnace is the ideal tool for rendering range scrap.

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