ANNEALING

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ANNEALING

Postby DuncaninFrance » Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:14 pm

I anneal my .303 British cases before converting them to Sporting dims and I do it like this.

I made a hand holder by taking a piece of old wooden curtain rod of about 40mm dia and cut it about 120mm long. I then drilled a hole in the end and insert some copper pipe large enough to allow the case to be inserted. I then put a screw into the handle at the bottom of the copper tube which allows me to vary the depth of the cavity and this the length of case protruding from the mouth of the copper tube. By dropping the case into the holder there is a part that protrudes and that is the bit I want treating.

Next set up a gas blowlamp on a solid surface so you can place the protruding case in the flame and slowly rotate the holder. When the case is dull red remove from the flame and upend over a bucket of water. The case will drop out. Drop another one in the holder and start again. IT WORKS!

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Postby dhtaxi » Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:11 am

I stole Duncans idea and made this holder to anneal my cases in.

Both ends are drilled with different size holes one end will hold .30 cases the other end will acomadate 303 or 7.62x54 nagant.

The holder is made from a ceramic material you can hold it whilst heating the cases and it stays cool to the touch.

Its the sort of material the tiles on the underside of the space shuttle are made of.

Cool eh. :bigsmile: :bigsmile:
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Tue Dec 23, 2008 2:40 pm

Looks like Space Shuttle technology mate - the pics have fallen off :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby dhtaxi » Tue Dec 23, 2008 2:46 pm

Not very good at this photo lark am I.

Trust you to spot that no pictures I mean who would of noticed that.
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Postby dromia » Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:14 pm

Duncan, why do you drop the cases into water?
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:03 pm

dromia wrote:Duncan, why do you drop the cases into water?


"To align the metals molecules and make the material easier to work". Goes back to my metalworking school days I think :roll:

You are now going to tell me that this is not the case and I am wasting my time as a metalworker n'est-ce pas!

Well nothing would surprise me anymore................
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Postby dromia » Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:19 am

Well I've never done metalwork but I have annealed a lot of brass in my time and have had help and advice from many sources across the globe.

The consenus from all this advice and what works for me is that quenching the brass in water does not help anneal. What it can help with is stopping the annealing going too far down the case and softening the head and we all know what happens when we go soft in the head.

The other key factor in annealing is getting the right temperature consistently for each case so the the anneal is even across a batch of cases thus giving the same boolit retention and spring back so necessary for the consistency that is the key to accurate ammunition.

I have never found going by colour a satisfactory way of getting a consistent anneal as the colour is so dependant on the light conditions. Therefore this doesn't lead to consitency. Ever wondered why the old blacksmiths shops were so dark, now you know, to get a true colour for tempering welding etc. This problem was sadly illustrated in the early '03 Springfield recievers, this subjective way of tempering by colour lead to wide quality variations and reciever hardness.

Me I use welders Temple sticks 650' F, four dots evenly spaced round the shoulder of the case. I have a potters hand truntable, place a cartridge in the centre, put the flame just touching the lip of the case mouth and rotate the turntable. When the crayon runs flick the case off the turntable and on with the next.

Piece of p**s and you know what temperature your case has been annealed at.

I usually anneal not to avoid split necks but to get an even neck retention, and I can tell the difference on the target between a batch on annealed and unannealed brass, except perhaps Lapua as they are as near as perfect out of the box as I'm going to get. Its one of the the first things I consider if I suspect that vertical stringing is ammunition related.

Temple sticks! You know they make sense. :D
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:40 am

That's interesting Adam, thanks. Like I said - metalwork at school - 1963/65 - its a l o n g time ago!

:cool: :cool:
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Postby dhtaxi » Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:47 am

You realise Im going to have to confiscate all the temple sticks from the welders bays in the workshops now dont you.

Or I could just give the cases to them I suppose.

I wonder what job number I can charge that to hmmm. :shock:
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Postby joseyclosey » Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:17 pm

Get me some Dave :mrgreen:

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