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RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby DuncaninFrance » Sun May 30, 2010 5:04 am

A friend of mine has just spent about 400€ / £340 / $490 / AUD 580 having his Beretta O/U shotgun re-blued and various parts replaced by a gunsmith in Bordeaux http://www.larquebusier.com

The wood needs some attention to a crack and various 'dings' as well as the finish so I PM'd Candyman and asked if he would be prepared to guide us through the works if I posted pictures and detail as we went along so everyone could benefit. He kindly agreed so I will soon be posting pictures of the current state of the wood - watch this space :razz:
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Re: RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:33 pm

OK, here we go.
This is the woodwork from a Beretta S55 BVE O/U which was bought in about 1978 and is in need of some TLC on the woodwork. The gun has just been to have some minor repairs and also be re-blued.
The aim of the project is to bring the wood up to the same standard as the barrels/lock but instead of a varnished finish it would be nice to have an oiled wood/polished finish.
The following pictures should give you a good idea of what is needed.
The plan is:-
1) Remove all the varnish. You will probably be able to see that there are areas of the stock where the varnish has already been worn away and this presents a problem. I assume that where the varnish is missing the wood will be dirty and the colour will not match the wood currently protected by varnish. I assume that this difference will have to be addressed.
2) Remove the various dings in the wood which have been caused by knocking against various hard objects and also the sling
3) Repair the slight crack at the rear sling swivel mounting hole.
4) Oil and then polish the stock prior to re-fitting the barrel/lock.

So Lee, over to you mate, where do we start?

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Re: RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby Candyman » Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:32 pm

First off you will need to strip off the old finish. This is best done with a Chemical striper.
Here is a link to a post of striping the stock. http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewto ... 37&t=61170
After stripping the stock, you will need to steam out the dents. I wouls stram the whole stock to prep it for a light sanding.
Once the stock has been striped and steamed you will need to let it dry.
Once it is dry you will need to address the crack. Drill a hole into the crack with a small bit. You will need to drill at an angle from inside the stud hole. Use an epoxy (clear with 30 min. set time) to fill the hole. Be sure to put paste wax on the stud screw and screw in into the stock while the epoxy is setting up. After anout an hour or so remove the stud and alloe the epoxy to finish curing.
Use masking tape to cover the checkering. Don't make this hard on yourself. Just place long, over laping strips of tape over the checkering and then use a razor knife to trace the outer lines and remove the extra tape.
Using a sanding block, sand the stock lightly, starting with 200 grit paper then 300 then 400. Remember, you are only lightly sanding.
If there are some blimishes from where the old finish had chipped off, you can stain the stock just a little darker to blend them. But first you will need to deside which finish you wish to use.
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Re: RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby DuncaninFrance » Sat Jun 05, 2010 2:46 am

OK, a good start! One thing to confirm please.

Steaming the whole stock - how do you suggest this is done? Should I hang the stock ( and forend ) over a slowly simmering pan of water till the dings seem to fall out or is there a better way?
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Re: RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby Candyman » Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:39 pm

After striping the stock it will be wet. Use an Iron and a wet rag. Place the rag over the dents and place the Iron on top. Be sure not to dry out the rag and burn the stock.
You can also use a spray bottle with water to spray the stock after removing the Iron and rag. Do the whole stock in sections bot be careful to avoid the checkering.
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Re: RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:56 am

Have started the stripping and looks like it will take 3 days with the drying in between. Thinking ahead to the new finish - oiled stock - will it need any work to fill the grain BEFORE we start to apply the finish?
My thoughts were that after staining the first coats should be a 50/50 mix of linseed oil and white spirit followed by coats of 100% linseed oil and finished with a beeswax and linseed oil polish.

Is this going to work or should we approach it differently Lee?
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Re: RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby Candyman » Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:30 pm

Sounds like you are on the right track.
When staining the stock you could use a stain that has a filler in it. I really like Herter's French Red from Brownell's.

If you want a softer look to the stock you can do an Oil Scrub finish. Here is a link to my sticky at SRF on doing an Oil Scrub.
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewto ... 37&t=51760

If you want more shine to your oil finish, use a paste wax that will dry hadt and you can buff. Mini Wax and Johnson's paste wax work great. You just have to buff with a soft rag and finish off with nylon. For nylon get a lady's stocking.
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Re: RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:15 am

For nylon get a lady's stocking.


Got plenty of those.................................NO NOT MINE :shock: , I use them as a pullthrough after shooting my shotgun to remove the crud at the range. It gives me a bit more time to clean the gun later, maybe the following day if I am rushed. :D
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Re: RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby DuncaninFrance » Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:54 pm

OK, so, the wood is now stripped using a chemical stripper. There are a few bits of varnish left which the stripper does not seem to effect. I am leaving the wood to dry for 48 hours before working on the 'dings' with a hot iron and a damp cloth.
I have been all over the web today looking for some grain sealer ( the stock is cheap wood by modern Beretta Standards ) here in France ( easier finding rocking-horse shit! ) and finally rang a company in the UK called CCL near Redditch, Worcestershire. I had a long ( 30 minute) chat with the boss there and have now bought some of their Grain Sealer and some Conditioning Oil from Frankonia for 32€ including postage. By the time it arrives we should be ready to use it.
So, here are some progress pictures:-

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Re: RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby Candyman » Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:43 pm

Duncan

Go ahead and strip the stock again to remove the rest of the old finish. Remeber, as long as the striper is wet, it is working. Keeping it in the shade will give it more time to work.
When you wash off the striper be sure to clean all of it off. After washing rub your hand on the stock, if it fills a little slick, then there is still a little striper on the stock.

Don't let the stock dry before steaming it, do it while it is wet. If there are some dings that don't seem to want to come up, wet some tissue to make small wads and place them on the dents. Be sure that the wads are very wet. Let the wads dry over night. As they dry they will pull the dents.
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Re: RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby DuncaninFrance » Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:21 pm

OK Lee. The actual varnish that is left is only a few pin head sized pieces and not the large black areas on the top and bottom of the stock that can easily be seen. Those areas are just different coloured wood.
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Re: RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby DuncaninFrance » Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:17 am

I had another go at it today and there is no sign of any of the old varnish now. Next job is the dings and dents. We have got our hands on an old(er) solid electric iron which I think will work better than these modern ones. :lol:
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Re: RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby Candyman » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:57 am

How is it coming? Take lots of pic's.
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Re: RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:17 pm

Candyman wrote:How is it coming? Take lots of pic's.


'Resting' at the moment. more pictures to come. The weather here is very wet at the moment, been raining solidly for 26 hours so the air is very damp. the pool water level was up 5.5cm!

I shall be taking some more pics tomorrow.

We were looking for a commercially produced Grain Seal here and it is easier to get Rocking Horse Shit! The French don't normally do anything like this - they are too lazy!! However, I spoke to the MD of CCL in the UK and after a 40 minute chat I ordered some Grain Sealer and some Conditioning Oil from a company called Frankonia who sell his products here. Now waiting for them to arrive so we can continue. Looks like we will use a water based stain made from walnuts to give the wood some depth of colour.
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Re: RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:04 pm

Ready for the application of CCL Gunstock Grain Sealer which arrived today from Frankonia in Germany. The wood is now ultra smooth with no trace of varnish anywhere. All the colours are natural.

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Working on it tomorrow
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Postby Candyman » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:52 pm

Looks like it came out very clean.
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Re: RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby DuncaninFrance » Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:45 am

Moving on, and a bit fast too!

We tried to use a water based stain derived from walnuts but it was too weak and so the alternative spirit based one was used. The colouring and regularity of shade was immediately obvious and 3 coats were applied in quick succession. A point of interest is that the 3V3 stain is priced in Francs and not Euros which means it is at least 10 years old.

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After it was dry the CCL Restoration Oil was applied and the following images are after 2 coats of brush / cloth application and then rubbing in with the hands - not mine I have to add as I was cleaning and re-sizing 50 .303 sporting cases.

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Most probable that Alain will finish the wood tomorrow afternoon and we will let it dry for 24 house before re-mounting the metalwork. more photographs later tomorrow I hope.
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Re: RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby Candyman » Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:32 pm

Be sure to read the can. Most oils require 24 hour cure time between coats.

It's looking good,
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Re: RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby Niner » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:18 pm

Does the finish feel smooth to the touch now? Hand rubbing ought to leave it that way. Just wondering.
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:00 pm

Niner wrote:Does the finish feel smooth to the touch now? Hand rubbing ought to leave it that way. Just wondering.


So far, yes. It is now going to dry until tomorrow afternoon, that's about 24 hours. The stain is almost instant dry, 30 mins between coats.
Probably one more coat of oil will see the job finished. It then needs a week to harden in properly it says in the instructions.
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Re: RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby BOLOMK1 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:30 pm

Duncan,
Do you have access to products from Brownells?
I've done several stocks using their tung oil/varnish finish and
a stain/sealer from Minwax in the colour of my choice.
I like tung oil as it is easy touch up and rub out dings and blems from use and can
be either glossy or flat in sheen depending on how it is applied.
Just a thought.
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:46 am

Can't get Brownells products in France John, we are using CCL which has worked very well so far but that has to come from the UK or Germany!!
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:56 am

OK, we are now finished with the oiling process and are leaving the wood to 'cure' for a week before applying a few coats of a wax polish to finish it off.

When I did the stock of my K98k I made a soft polish from 100g pure beeswax and 250ml of white spirit which worked very well indeed so we are proposing to do the same with this stock. Any thoughts on that?

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The photos don't do justice to the finish quality because of the sun and it's angle but I must say that it looks very good at the moment.
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Re: RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby Candyman » Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:35 am

Great job, can't wait to see it back on the gun.

When waxing, the harder the wax the more shine you can get when you buff it.
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Re: RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby DuncaninFrance » Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:54 am

Well here we are, all finished and put together again. The wood has had a final 6 coats of a paste polish made from 25grams of pure beeswax and 62ml of white spirit rubbed in well and then buffed by hand.

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My thanks to Lee for his help and assistance and for all the input. I hope it encourages others to improve their wood :D :D
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Postby Niner » Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:05 pm

Good job! It does look good as new now.
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:45 pm

Thanks Robert, just waiting for the owner to comment :) :)
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Re: RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby Woftam » Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:25 pm

Nice job Duncan.
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:37 am

Just heard that the owner is delighted with it which is a great relief :razz: :razz:
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Re: RESTORING A SHOTGUN STOCK

Postby Candyman » Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:31 pm

DuncaninFrance wrote:Just heard that the owner is delighted with it which is a great relief :razz: :razz:

I don't see how he would not be delighted, You did a great job. :mrgreen:

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