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Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby Dutch Mosin » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:30 pm

Here's a picture of the pistol I bought several months ago.
It's a Le Page ML pistol manufactured by Armi Sport in Caliber .45.
I will pick it up in Germany next week.
I will post better pictures when I'm back and soon after that some range reports.

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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:56 pm

Bet you can't wait Martin :bigsmile: :bigsmile:
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby Dutch Mosin » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:25 am

That's right Duncan.
I'm very eager to take this pistol to the range.
Ever since I bought the Hawken Woodsman I’m hooked.
I get the feeling that this will not be my last muzzle loader. :D

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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby DuncaninFrance » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:36 am

Just try and restrain yourself till you have visited Pedersoli :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby Dutch Mosin » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:55 pm

That shouldn't be a problem anymore.
My wife just read your post and she said she would help me........ :cry:
Thanks Duncan. :( :bigsmile:


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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby DuncaninFrance » Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:29 am

Obviously a very dutiful wife you have Martin............... :loco: :loco: :loco: :loco:
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:34 pm

My lucky day.............. :bigsmile: :bigsmile:

I now own this Le Page Target Standard Flintlock pistol along with some bullets and a mould.
It is a Davide Pedersoli, made in 1994 by the looks of the proof mark but I can't make it out for certain so have e.mailed them for confirmation.


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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby Dutch Mosin » Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:58 pm

Had a lucky day too.
Picked this one up this weekend.
Range report next week.



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BTW....that is one fantastic looking flint lock Duncan.
When will you take the pistol to the range?
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby DuncaninFrance » Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:31 pm

I hope to shoot it on Wednesday Martin. I spent this afternoon making a loading stand for it.

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I think it needs a slight mod to hold the pistol in the vertical more securely so further pics to come when I have done it.
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby Niner » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:00 pm

Good idea Duncan. Reminded me of one I built for revolvers years ago. Took me a while to find it but I took a few snaps to show what it's like.

The LePage won't fit on it at all.
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby DuncaninFrance » Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:33 am

Yeh, that's the idea that got me started. The main difference is that the Le Page's hammer is offset so the gun's balance on the support is different.
Think I am going to add a little piece to keep it in place plus some felt to protect the finish.
Will post pics when done. :razz:
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby DuncaninFrance » Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:11 pm

OK, finished it. It seems sturdy enough but will know better when I have been to the range, maybe Wednesday if I can fix the leak in the Gite shower - AGAIN :evil: :evil: :evil:

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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby Dutch Mosin » Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:33 pm

Fantastic idea Duncan.
Do you mind if I make a copy of your loading stand????

Don't forget to post the range report on Wednesday.

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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby DuncaninFrance » Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:13 am

Dutch Mosin wrote:Fantastic idea Duncan.
Do you mind if I make a copy of your loading stand????

Don't forget to post the range report on Wednesday.

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It's not patented Martin, help yourself. :lol: Do you want dimensions?

Wednesday is cancelled - the shower needs more work :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby Dutch Mosin » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:46 am

Thanks Duncan and yes I'd like to have some dimensions.
What..............not patented???? :shock: :mrgreen:

Well.....I wasn't sure ;) , but it doesn't hurt to ask.

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PS: get that shower fixed. :!: :!: :!:
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:34 pm

Here you are Martin, give me a shout if you need any more info. By the way, the vertical support is held in place by 2 screws through the base and some wood glue. The aluminium is extra bracing.

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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby Dutch Mosin » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:02 pm

Thanks Duncan.
I appreciate it.
I'll post some pictures when the loading cradle is ready.

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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:22 pm

Just had a reply from Pedersoli - my Le Page was made and exported to France in 1996 so the Year Mark should be BH

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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby Dutch Mosin » Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:35 am

Asked the same question about my Armi Sport Le Page.
I sent an E-mail to Chiappa Firearms in Italy yesterday evening.
Had a reply early this morning.
My Le Page was manufactured in April 1993 en exported to "Frankonia Jagd" in Germany that same year.

BTW.....fantastic pictures Duncan.


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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby DuncaninFrance » Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:26 pm

Dutch Mosin wrote:Asked the same question about my Armi Sport Le Page.
I sent an E-mail to Chiappa Firearms in Italy yesterday evening.
Had a reply early this morning.
My Le Page was manufactured in April 1993 en exported to "Frankonia Jagd" in Germany that same year.

BTW.....fantastic pictures Duncan.


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That should make the proof house mark BC according to the list I have. :cool: :cool:
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby Niner » Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:40 pm

So what does BL mean as far as date?
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby Aughnanure » Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:28 am

Dutch Mosin wrote:Asked the same question about my Armi Sport Le Page.
I sent an E-mail to Chiappa Firearms in Italy yesterday evening.
Had a reply early this morning.
My Le Page was manufactured in April 1993 en exported to "Frankonia Jagd" in Germany that same year.

BTW.....fantastic pictures Duncan.


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The pictures are not the only fantastic thing, getting a reply from a gun business so quickly is also fantastic.

They must live in the past as epitomized by their guns, as far as service goes. :bigsmile: :bigsmile:
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby DuncaninFrance » Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:17 am

Niner wrote:So what does BL mean as far as date?



BL is 1998 Robert.
Here are a couple of sites with the information. http://www.hallowellco.com/proof_date_codes.htm http://www.powderhombre.com/mbpproofmarks.pdf
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby Niner » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:02 am

Thanks Duncan. 1998 was about when I bought it.
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:36 pm

DISASTER!

Not a good range day!!
Firstly, the Le Page is meant for offhand shooting - but I don't have enough strength in my right arm to hold it up and steady. ( Obviously my bout of peripheral nerve damage is NOT fixed! )
Secondly, The loading rest does not give enough support at the sides although it is fine when you hold the pistol with one hand and ram with the other. (Revised design to follow Martin!)
Third, flints don't last long without a trim............no trim kit so 6 rounds fired - 3 on target......must try harder!
Forth, my pal Alain took his new Hawken and the first 4 shots at 50mtrs were all in the black. Then he got talking to another member whiles loading the 5th and forgot to put the powder in :oops: Rifle is now at the gunshop in Bordeaux to have the breech plug removed and the bullet pushed out.

So, 90 minutes travel, 10 shots between us and lots of frustration to show for it :roll: :roll:
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby Niner » Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:15 pm

We've all had those kinds of days, Duncan. You'll have better luck next time.
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby Dutch Mosin » Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:21 pm

Sorry to hear about your "not so good" range day.
Most of the things that went wrong can be fixed though.....except for the strength in your arm.
I did notice in the Le Page pictures in this thread that you don't use the "finger rest" of the pistol.
I use it when shooting my Le Page and it helps me keep my arm and hand steadier.

About loading the bullet without putting in the powder first.....it will happen to all of us.
I'm sure he will never forget the moment he fired that rifle and realizes that he forgot the powder.

Thanks for "testing" the loading rest for me Duncan.
I can't wait to receive the revised design.

I really hope things will work out for you with the pistol, your arm and the loading rest.
Say hello to your pal Alain from me and tell him he will get over it.
I did.... :mrgreen:


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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:45 pm

Revised Loading Stand pics for Martin.

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The only changes are to the 'wings' Martin, it seems to work OK now. :roll: :roll:


Bad news is my arm won't improve so I just have to find another stance that works, probably supporting my right arm under the elbow with my left one.

The pictures are not of me shooting the pistol but Alain and the grip was more for effect than anything else. I took them for a photo competition.

As for him loading without powder - I told him it was typical of the French to pay more attention to the conversation than the sequence :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby Dutch Mosin » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:02 am

Thanks for the revised design Duncan.
Got a small vacation (couple of days) coming up at the end of this month.
Might have some time to make one then.
I’ll post some pictures when it’s ready.

Sorry to hear about your arm, but I’m sure you will find a way to shoot it.

Those are great pictures.
Did you use a special(professional) camera to make these or could I take pictures like yours with my “simple-click-clack” digital camera?

Is Alain’s rifle fixed yet??
I hope so.


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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby DuncaninFrance » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:58 am

Dutch Mosin wrote:Thanks for the revised design Duncan.
Got a small vacation (couple of days) coming up at the end of this month.
Might have some time to make one then.
I’ll post some pictures when it’s ready.

Sorry to hear about your arm, but I’m sure you will find a way to shoot it.

Those are great pictures.
Did you use a special(professional) camera to make these or could I take pictures like yours with my “simple-click-clack” digital camera?

Is Alain’s rifle fixed yet??
I hope so.


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My arm - it's f***ed :( :( :(

I use a Canon 500DSLR Martin and take my photography very seriously :cool: :) I am a member of a local club and also the French Photographic Federation. Spent the last club night taking macro photos of the Le Page which I will post after they are "processed"

According to the Owners Manual that came with the gun it is possible to remove the breech plug and push the bullet out from the breech. I tried but couldn't move it and rather than damage the steel Alain took it to a gunsmith in Bordeaux. I don't know the result yet.
I looked in the Davide Pedersoli catalogue and they make a "Fast Ball Puller" which works with CO2 bulbs. Of course no one in France sells them ( normal! )but Henry Krank in the UK has them in stock so I may buy one from them as an insurance!
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