Armi Sport Le Page in .45

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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby Niner » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:39 am

Duncan, on the Hawken with the loaded ball with no powder. The traditional way is to use a worm screw on the end of a loading rod, as I'm sure you know. However, what I've done in the past was unscrew the nipple, pour in a few grains of powder in the hole until the powder comes up to the screw threads. You may have the shake the rifle a little to get as much space as possible filled...and it won't be much. Screw the nipple back and put on a cap and fire in a safe direction. The ball comes out with a modest bang. Range is not far and velocity will vary. Now "safety" in doing this is something I don't know the official answer to....but I'm not the first that's done this.
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby DuncaninFrance » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:10 pm

Yes, I did know that thanks Robert.
It isn't a patched ball that is in there but a Lee R.E.A.L. bullet.
We tried removing the nipple and adding powder but to no avail.
One possible problem is that Alain brought the rifle home today to clean it as best he could and it was possible to suck water from the breech end into the barrel past the stuck bullet :( Seems to me that a very small charge might not be enough to move it because the chamber isn't sealed...................

Anyway, he has decided to wait for the tool to arrive from Frankonia in Germany. The gunshop in Bordeaux has bought one for their own workshop as well............
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby DuncaninFrance » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:07 am

:loco: :loco: :loco:
NEWS FLASH - Hawken EMPTY!

To cut a long story short, he brought the Hawken over this afternoon saying that the screw ball puller wouldn't screw into the stuck ball.
He had tried it in another round ball and it worked fine. I tried it in a R.E.A.L. bullet in a vice on my workbench and it worked on that too.

I dropped the cleaning rod with puller attached down the barrel and heard - wait for it - - - - - the sound of Steel on STEEL :roll: not steel on LEAD........

There was no ball in the barrel, proved by loading a powder charge and a couple of felt wads which worked fine, followed by a full bullet load which also worked fine :lol: :lol:

Whether the 3 caps that he fired at the range actually dislodged the ball or it just melted into thin air I don't know :oops:

Anyway, an upshot of all this is to report that I e.mailed Pedersoli on Saturday night with a question about removal of the breech plug and they replied on Sunday evening! Now THATS customer service for you :bigsmile: :bigsmile:
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby Niner » Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:23 pm

Good that it evaporated away.

Did Pedersoli 's answer require you to put on a pair of ruby slippers and click your heels? :bigsmile:
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby Dutch Mosin » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:52 pm

Aughnanure wrote:
Dutch Mosin wrote:Asked the same question about my Armi Sport Le Page.
I sent an E-mail to Chiappa Firearms in Italy yesterday evening.
Had a reply early this morning.
My Le Page was manufactured in April 1993 en exported to "Frankonia Jagd" in Germany that same year.

BTW.....fantastic pictures Duncan.


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The pictures are not the only fantastic thing, getting a reply from a gun business so quickly is also fantastic.

They must live in the past as epitomized by their guns, as far as service goes. :bigsmile: :bigsmile:


I don't think they live in the past Aughnanure, just just keep track of their guns.
I agree that this is fantastic service.
I expected a reply, but not that quickly.

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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby Reese Williams » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:37 am

There is a handy little device that you guys should have if you're going to mess around with black powder guns. It is a nozzle that takes a CO2 cartridge and has an adapter on it that will fit the nipple hole on the rifle. You remove the nipple, push the rubber tipped adapter into the hole, sqeeze the trigger on the device and a blast of CO2 pushes the ball out the muzzle. Quick, painless and much easier and safer for the weapon than using a ball puller. They sell for about $35 in the States and come with 3 CO2 cartridges.
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:02 am

Reese Williams wrote:There is a handy little device that you guys should have if you're going to mess around with black powder guns. It is a nozzle that takes a CO2 cartridge and has an adapter on it that will fit the nipple hole on the rifle. You remove the nipple, push the rubber tipped adapter into the hole, sqeeze the trigger on the device and a blast of CO2 pushes the ball out the muzzle. Quick, painless and much easier and safer for the weapon than using a ball puller. They sell for about $35 in the States and come with 3 CO2 cartridges.


Hey Reese, check out my last post on page 1 :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby Reese Williams » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:09 am

Duncan,

that's what I get for reading this thread sporadically. The one I've got has the nozzle at 90 degrees to the cylinder and has a trigger. Although, truth be told, with my .577 enfields you can just hold the rifle muzzle down and tap the muzzle gently on something like a wooden block and the bullet will drop out. One of the upsides to shooting Minie balls.
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:17 pm

Reese Williams wrote:Duncan,

that's what I get for reading this thread sporadically. The one I've got has the nozzle at 90 degrees to the cylinder and has a trigger. Although, truth be told, with my .577 enfields you can just hold the rifle muzzle down and tap the muzzle gently on something like a wooden block and the bullet will drop out. One of the upsides to shooting Minie balls.



:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:45 am

Yesterday I committed the cardinal sin and loaded my Hawken with patch and ball but no powder.
The Co² bullet puller had arrived and so it was a good time to test it...................................Worked perfectly and blew the ball about 10 mtrs out of the barrel :shock:
Got to find some more Co² bulbs now because I doubt this will be the last time it will be needed :loco: :loco:
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby Niner » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:24 am

A worst mistake would have been to put a double load of powder and ball. I've never done that....yet. Wonder of the CO2 wonder would expel such a load?
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:00 am

Niner wrote:A worst mistake would have been to put a double load of powder and ball. I've never done that....yet. Wonder of the CO2 wonder would expel such a load?


I don't see why not, the CO² bulb is pressurized at 60bar / 900psi!
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Re: Armi Sport Le Page in .45

Postby dhtaxi » Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:08 pm

60 Bar is pretty serious stuff.

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