BUILDING THE CANNON ..............

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BUILDING THE CANNON ..............

Postby DuncaninFrance » Sun Apr 26, 2015 3:33 am

First job - Open the box :lol:

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Then read the instructions :cool:

The building is a very simple matter but after doing some research a few things are obvious.

1) Although the barrel is white metal and it says to Cold Blue it I have decided to Duracoat it matte Black. A much better finish and more durable. ( I have a can that was bought to coat a friend of mines' TOZ so there should be more than enough to do both jobs.)

2) The wood finish is just varnished but having checked out the USS Constitution's site I see that the gun carriage is red. Paint already purchased!

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3) Although it says 'scale model' there is no mention of the scale or if it is a 12 pounder or a 24 pounder cannon so I have sent emails to Traditions and to the USS Constitution's site asking for help.

4) I have ordered a Lee .69 round ball mold from Henry Krank to produce the ammo.

So, I can start to assemble and paint the gun carriage and consider how I will make the deck. I also need to source scaled rope and blocks for it which should not be too much of a problem - wish I hadn't said that :lol: :lol:
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Re: BUILDING THE CANNON ..............

Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:05 pm

Well here we go then.
Lots of searches done and emails sent then.......
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Having taken all the bits out of the box and checked them ( 2 screws missing ) I started the build. The images are self explanatory so I won't write a detailed narrative of the process.
I will say that all the pieces seem well finished.

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Before I go any further it is obvious that now is the time to paint the carriage as some further fittings should be black. It is also necessary to modify the carriage slightly so it is more accurate.
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Re: BUILDING THE CANNON ..............

Postby Aughnanure » Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:45 pm

Great stuff, Duncan.

Do miniature cannons that fire have to be registered in France?
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Re: BUILDING THE CANNON ..............

Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:11 am

Aughnanure wrote:Great stuff, Duncan.

Do miniature cannons that fire have to be registered in France?


No, they are black powder and copies of originals so no control over them, the ammo or powder and fuze :D :D
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Re: BUILDING THE CANNON ..............

Postby Aughnanure » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:36 pm

Lucky you!

Around here they have to be registered no matter the calibre.

There was once a model of a 74 gun ship in a store in Sydney and all of the cannons were fireable,
so I asked Firearms Registry what would be the position if I bought it, would they issue one licence or 74?

For some reason they were not happy with me :loco:
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Re: BUILDING THE CANNON ..............

Postby DuncaninFrance » Fri May 01, 2015 3:07 am

Aughnanure wrote:Lucky you!

Around here they have to be registered no matter the calibre.

There was once a model of a 74 gun ship in a store in Sydney and all of the cannons were fireable,
so I asked Firearms Registry what would be the position if I bought it, would they issue one licence or 74?

For some reason they were not happy with me :loco:


Wonder why that should be Eoin...............
If you buy a WWII Jeep here you have to have a special licence because it has provision for carrying a rifle :shock:
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Re: BUILDING THE CANNON ..............

Postby ArchFluffy » Fri May 01, 2015 4:52 pm

This is pretty cool!

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Postby DuncaninFrance » Sun May 03, 2015 5:04 am

OK, so the relevant parts of the kit are now painted the appropriate colour.

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The axles and wheels need to be black and I don't have any paint in stock. Job for tomorrow to find a small tin, :D
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Postby Niner » Sun May 03, 2015 9:36 am

Somehow that color just doesn't look like anything old sailers would have painted their gun carriage.

I've brought this up before in another context , but you know the origin of the figure of speech, "cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey" don't you? Do you have a brass monkey to stack the cannon balls on?
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Sun May 03, 2015 3:51 pm

Niner wrote:Somehow that color just doesn't look like anything old sailers would have painted their gun carriage.

I've brought this up before in another context , but you know the origin of the figure of speech, "cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey" don't you? Do you have a brass monkey to stack the cannon balls on?


Paint is as near as I can find (see above ).
Brass monkeys and freezing the balls off there of is not actual fact.

Every sailing ship had to have cannon for protection. Cannon of the times required round iron cannonballs. The master wanted to store the cannon-balls such that they could be of instant use when needed, yet not roll around the gun deck. The solution was to stack them up in a square based
pyramid next to the cannon. The top level of the stack had one ball, the next level down had four, the next had nine, the next had sixteen, and so on. Four levels would provide a stack of 30 cannonballs. The only real problem was how to keep the bottom level from sliding out from under the weight of the higher levels. To do this, they devised a small brass plate ("brass monkey") with one rounded indentation for each cannonball in the bottom layer. Brass was used because the cannonballs wouldn't rust to the "brass monkey", but would rust to an iron one.
When temperature falls, brass contracts in size faster than iron. As it got cold on the gun decks, the indentations in the brass monkey would get smaller than the iron cannonballs they were holding. If the temperature got cold enough, the bottom layer would pop out of the indentations spilling the entire pyramid over the deck. Thus it was, quite literally, "cold enough to freeze the balls off a "brass monkey."


Origins:
Somebody's fanciful imagination is at work cooking up spurious etymologies again. In short, this origin for the phrase "cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey" is nonsense because:
Not even the venerable Oxford English Dictionary, records a usage of "brass monkey" like the one presented here.
When references to "brass monkeys" started appearing in print in the mid-19th century, they did not always mention balls or cold temperatures. It was sometimes cold enough to freeze the ears, tail, nose, or whiskers off a brass monkey. Likewise, it was sometimes hot enough to "scald the throat" or "singe the hair" of a brass monkey. These usages are inconsistent with the putative origins offered here.
Warships didn't store cannonballs (or "round shot") on deck around the clock, day after day, on the slight chance that they might go into battle. Space was a precious commodity on sailing ships, and decks were kept as clear as possible in order to allow room for hundreds of men to perform all the tasks necessary for ordinary ship's functions. (Stacking round shot on deck would also create the danger of their breaking free and rolling around loose on deck whenever the ship encountered rough seas.) Cannonballs were stored elsewhere and only brought out when the decks had been cleared for action.
Particularly diligent gunners (not "masters," who were in charge of navigation, sailing and pilotage, not ordnance) would have their crews chip away at imperfections on the surface of cannonballs to make them as smooth as possible, in the hopes that this would cause them to fly truer. They did not leave shot on deck, exposed to the elements, where it would rust.
Nobody really knows where the phrase "cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey" came from, but the explanation offered here certainly isn't the answer.

Anyway, my cannon balls will be lead :roll: :roll:
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Re: BUILDING THE CANNON ..............

Postby Niner Delta » Sun May 03, 2015 7:08 pm

As much as Duncan and I like to pick on each other, he is absolutely correct about
the brass monkey.

And he is also probably correct about his balls being lead, not brass............... :cool:
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Postby Niner » Sun May 03, 2015 8:06 pm

I got the Brass Monkey story from a Tristan Jones book. Tristan was later proven to be a big yarn teller and made no distinction between fact and fiction if he saw a good story in it. And I got a feeling Duncan will eventually show us a photo of his balls ....... the lead kind. :loco:
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Mon May 04, 2015 2:43 am

Bollocks :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Aughnanure » Tue May 05, 2015 4:55 am

I am reminded of a Goons Show sketch; two of them are on guard duty an the Tower.
They're walking their beat and suddenly "Clunk---clunk"

Says one "Look at the brass monkey!"

Towards the end of the show we are back with the two on sentry-go, further remarks about the cold, then "Clunk----clunk"

"Ooh! Look, now the ears have fallen off!".
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Sun May 10, 2015 4:39 am

I am always on the lookout for interesting reference books and while researching the model I came across this one.

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It is a facsimile reprint with over 640 pages - fascinating inmformation
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Sun May 10, 2015 11:17 am

Progress.........!
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Still to do;
Paint the wheels & axles.
Coat the barrel with Duracoat.
Make tampion.
Fit eyes to the carriage to take retaining ropes.
Fit retaining ropes.
Build deck to mount it on and shoot from.
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Postby Niner » Sun May 10, 2015 12:07 pm

Looking good. Just by way of contrast, I got a toy cannon. It just sits on a shelf and collects dust. It does nothing. If you look closely at the firing model and then at the toy you can see the "realness" of the one Duncan is making. However.... that gun carriage color I still find hard to believe is correct. Although it is much like that as Duncan has researched.... http://www.aviewoncities.com/boston/ussconstitution.htm

This model is supposed to be a Spanish gun of perhaps a hundred, or more, years before the Constitution's guns.
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu May 14, 2015 10:33 am

Well the model is finished except for the barrel which might be coated next week.

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The plywood base is the one I am going to use for the deck, it is 40cm x 40cm.. I am now waiting for some blocks to arrive from Amazon but meantime I will concentrate on the deck area.
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Re: BUILDING THE CANNON ..............

Postby M14man » Thu May 14, 2015 10:52 am

If you fire it, it will fly about 1o feet in recoil. Don't stand behind it!
How much does it weigh? Five pounds?
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Postby Niner » Thu May 14, 2015 1:17 pm

Looks really well done. Great looking cannon you have there. I'm looking forward to some photos when you fire it.

How about the 4th of July? Just right for a cannon model from the Constitution.
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu May 14, 2015 2:26 pm

M14man wrote:If you fire it, it will fly about 1o feet in recoil. Don't stand behind it!
How much does it weigh? Five pounds?


It weighs 9 lbs but I am making a deck to fire it from which will have the correct restraining ropes etc., I don't want to have to chase it around the countryside!! :lol:
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu May 14, 2015 2:29 pm

Niner wrote:Looks really well done. Great looking cannon you have there. I'm looking forward to some photos when you fire it.

How about the 4th of July? Just right for a cannon model from the Constitution.


I am going to film it the first time it is fired. It will probably take about a week to sort the deck out and I still have to Duracoat it so the 4th July isn't that far out for it's induction.
To find out how far it actually shoots I am going to take it down to the Estuary and shoot it into the water................ :cool: :cool: :cool:

Accordion to the instruction booklet from Ardesa it shoots a .69 round ball using a minimum of 45 and a maximum of 85 grains fg/ffg or Pyrodex. You can also shoot Tripple 7 but they don't suggest a load for that.............Contact the Manufacturer :shock:
I will use 60 mm of fuse which burns for 7 seconds ( I timed it!)
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Postby joseyclosey » Mon May 18, 2015 2:50 am

A week gone Saturday I was helping my friend shoot her newly acquired cannon, only using about 30g of BP on the indoor range so recoil was moderate and accuracy was reasonable too. This one came already assembled and ready to shoot but I did fit a lead weight to the undercarriage to help damp the recoil a little.
It was a very enjoyable day and we had three of the other club members along shooting their cannons too.

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Postby DuncaninFrance » Mon May 18, 2015 5:32 am

I wouldn't mind setting up a 'mini' range on our 25 mtr outdoor range but first I need to discover it's tendencies so to speak :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu May 21, 2015 10:22 am

Build now complete. The barrel is painted with Duracoat which needs 3-4 weeks to harden off properly so should be shooting it w/c 15 June. Leaves me time to make the decking to shoot it from

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Postby Niner » Thu May 21, 2015 10:39 am

Great job. Well done paint job on the Duracoat. Still can't get over a pink gun carriage. :bigsmile:
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu May 21, 2015 10:46 am

Someone else said the same thing :shock:

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Postby Niner » Thu May 21, 2015 10:57 am

That second photo looks like the actual color is a little more brownish orange to me. :loco:
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu May 21, 2015 11:04 am

Niner wrote:That second photo looks like the actual color is a little more brownish orange to me. :loco:


That's because it is under fluorescent lighting on the main gun deck :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby Niner Delta » Fri May 22, 2015 10:16 pm

They probably should have painted everything blood red............. :cool:
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