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JUST BOUGHT A REPLICA BAKER RIFLE....

Postby DuncaninFrance » Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:43 am

....So I don't blow up my original one :razz: :razz: :razz: Delivery around mid-September :bigsmile:
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Re: JUST BOUGHT A REPLICA BAKER RIFLE....

Postby DuncaninFrance » Sat Aug 22, 2015 1:38 pm

...............I have ordered it from Derbyshire Arms Ltd., in the UK.

So far.......
Customer service has been very good.

The weapon will come with;

A hardened frizzen
A browned barrel.
A touch hole drilled.
The wood stained and finished as I asked - dark brown to match my original.
The barrel BP proofed in Birmingham.
A payment of 50% deposit and the balance when the weapon is ready to ship.

Seems to be a good buy............I will post further when I receive it.
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Postby Niner » Sat Aug 22, 2015 2:14 pm

You are no doubt the hands down winner of the bought the most things that go bang in the last several months. That vacation rental you have for mad money must be doing great business this summer. :bigsmile:
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:00 pm

I wish........all purchases from my pensions Robert :shock: :shock:
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Re: JUST BOUGHT A REPLICA BAKER RIFLE....

Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:25 am

Had some time to myself today so I sat down and ran my new endoscope down the barrels of my collection.
They are not great images but sufficient to see the state of the bore I think. For €7,95 i recon it's good value...........

This is my original Baker Rifle and to honest, it looks good enough to shoot...........

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Re: JUST BOUGHT A REPLICA BAKER RIFLE....

Postby DuncaninFrance » Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:21 pm

BAKER RIFLE BARREL STAMPS AND LOCK.
I have noted the words that I can make out.

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Re: JUST BOUGHT A REPLICA BAKER RIFLE....

Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:20 am

Just got the final paperwork for the Baker today and paid the balance. IF it all goes to plan I might see it by the end of next week :D :D
Better go and cast some ball for it! :roll: :roll:
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:42 am

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Just made this one, it is the biggest I can print because the transfer paper is only A4 but it's a start. :razz: :razz:
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Postby Niner » Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:10 pm

Now that's spending your second childhood productively. Looks good. :bigsmile: :GBR:
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Postby joseyclosey » Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:31 am

Just the very thing for a range day with the Frenchies Duncan. :mrgreen:

Have you shaved your tash off btw?

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Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:46 am

joseyclosey wrote:Just the very thing for a range day with the Frenchies Duncan. :mrgreen:

Have you shaved your tash off btw?

Joe ;)


Heaven forbid Joe..............it's like me mate, getting old and white :roll:
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Re: JUST BOUGHT A REPLICA BAKER RIFLE....

Postby DuncaninFrance » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:57 am

It arrived today. Barrel is Blued and not finished Brown as ordered and is scratched in various places. Currently waiting for a reply from them ................. :evil:
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Postby joseyclosey » Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:47 pm

Not a good start Duncan. Hope it's sorted quickly.

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Postby DuncaninFrance » Sat Dec 05, 2015 3:54 pm

SO, having had a chance to look at the weapon carefully here are the observations........
1) Barrel is Blued and not Browned as ordered. ( All Bakers had Browned Barrels)
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2) Barrel is scratched in various places.
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3) The front lock retaining nail has sheered after trying to remove it - it has been ground out to allow the cleaning rod to fit in the stock!
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4) Although the barrel is stamped with Birmingham proof marks I did not get a Certificate with the gun.
5) The lock is very tight and the sear needs a great amount of effort to release the hammer.
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Re: JUST BOUGHT A REPLICA BAKER RIFLE....

Postby Aughnanure » Sat Dec 05, 2015 8:10 pm

Send it back ASAP!!
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Postby Niner » Sat Dec 05, 2015 8:16 pm

Derbyshire Arms Ltd seems to be limited in more ways than one. What Italian or Spanish company actually made it? Or...... could it be from Khyber Pass or maybe......China?
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Sun Dec 06, 2015 4:05 am

It is Indian made......
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Here is the sales pitch I received from Derbyshire Arms when I made my initial enquiry.
"All of standard range muskets are made to our exacting standards and specifications, they are currently made in India by a relation (by marriage) of the owner of Derbyshire Arms ltd, who happens also to be the gunsmith of the company - Gary Bate.
The muskets arrive with us 'in the white' and they are completely stripped down to their individual components and rebuilt. The stocks are oiled and waxed by hand, the barrels on the Baker's are browned ( the same as the originals), in house. The frizzens are hardened in a local laboratory in cyanide as standard - this gives them a 'life' of approximately 3 - 4 years depending on usage.
Proofing is done at the Birmingham proof house for black powder, shot and ball.
Both the Baker and the Brunswick are 20g smoothbore (.62 calibre). The Brunswick doesn't fire the original girdled bullet."


Their website says "Popular Muskets, Pistols and Carbines

"Our popular muskets, carbines and Pistols are manufactured by Master Craftsmen on our behalf to our specifications and exacting standards.

On arrival we strip them back and hand finish them in or workshop, the stocks are oiled and waxed to ensure they enjoy a long life and are waterproof,
the furniture is cleaned and buffed.

The frizzens on our flintlocks are hardened at a heat treatment laboratory in cyanide, giving them a life of 2 - 3 years, depending on usage.

Live firers are proofed at the Birmingham Proof House for black powder, shot and ball and bear their mark."



I have requested a full refund and am waiting for their reply. If it is negative I shall be contacting the local Trading Standards Officer.
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Postby Niner » Sun Dec 06, 2015 10:37 am

Well....hope you aren't holding your breath. But ... maybe..... they will refund your money.
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Sun Dec 06, 2015 12:34 pm

I know they have picked up my message from Facebook and in case they get awkward about it I have the address of their local Trading Standards Office.
We shall see....................
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Postby Aughnanure » Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:23 am

Stick it to 'em, Duncan.
I have an Indian made 'Highland' rams horn butted all steel pistol that is very well made indeed and I've seen some excellent repro Brown Besses from India also, but I've seen a lot of crap as well, I suspect though that a lot of it is never meant to be fired, at least not by the makers.

On a lighter note, I was at a 'REDUCED PRICE BOOK SALE' today and a couple of very well presented books met my eye, superb photos.
"The Illustrated History of Rifles" by one Rupert Mathews.

Quite by chance I opened it at The Baker Rifle and there was a lovely picture of an American Plains rifle, half stocked etc.
The text informed one that the Baker was the blah, blah of the British army and that it had rectangular rifling.

Decided not to invest in a copy!!
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:29 am

I sent them a Chapter and Verse explanation of my misgivings about the copy and a couple of pictures to underline my concern. They viewed that last Thursday at half past eight, since then, no more contact.

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I shall rattle their cage again tonight if I haven't heard anything and mention the local Trading Standards.........
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Postby Dutch Mosin » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:17 pm

Hello Duncan.
Did you get a response yet????

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Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:30 pm

Nothing positive Martin.
I have, however sent them another email citing the following observations by a gunmaker friend in the US who has seen a detailed photo of the lock.

"The battery/frizzen geometry is dreadful...and at several different points. The angles of the foot of the frizzen that rides on the spring and the adjacent frizzen stop that hits the spring and prevents the battery from opening too far are way off. The feather or frizzen spring is absolutely horrendous. Look how thick it is. The sear spring looks pinched in your photo, too."

I have also told them that I have come to the end of my patience :cool:
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Postby Dutch Mosin » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:52 pm

Keep sending them questions and remarks Duncan.
If it´s a decent company that sold you the rifle they should either send you a correct replica Baker rifle or refund your money.
Keep us posted.

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Postby Aughnanure » Thu Dec 24, 2015 12:30 am

Have a look at http://rajasthanarmoury.com/index.htm

Rajasthan Armoury, they made my Scottish pistol back in 1984.

Their sea service percussion pistols look rather nice.
They make Baker Rifles but the pic looks different to your new one.

Going to India in February for two months and will be in Udaipur so will look them up.
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Postby joseyclosey » Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:15 am

Any update on this Duncan?
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:22 am

Hi Joe,
Current situation is they say they are preparing another Baker, addressing all the points that I made and that when they had it finished they would send me photographs.
My last email to them was on March 18th and I got a reply on March 23rd.....

Dear Duncan,
The pictures haven't been forgotten.
We are still waiting on the barrels from the proof house - so nothing has changed as yet I'm afraid.
Kind regards
Jeni


Being me, I phoned the Birmingham Proof House today and explained my problem. They confirmed that Black Powder barrels for Derbyshire Arms take 6 weeks to process AND that currently they have no barrels in for proof.

So I have sent another email to Derbyshire Arms asking for a progress report.......... :cool:

Since all this started to happen it has transpired that the Post Office and most Parcel Carriers are refusing to carry anything that they consider to be 'Hazardous Materials' such as empty cases, bayonets, powder etc., Anything found in X-Raying a parcel that they consider to be 'Hazardous' will be confiscated without compensation...........I asked Derbyshire Arms how they were going to ship the Baker to me - no reply to that one yet :evil: :evil:
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Postby Niner » Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:34 am

I suppose they wouldn't just send you your money back? Of course they may be quick to tell you "the check is in the mail". Which would be the most said lie since " I only want to feel of it".
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Postby joseyclosey » Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:54 pm

Doesn't sound to promising Duncan! Good luck with it though.
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Postby dhtaxi » Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:40 pm

Hmm not good.

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