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Re: JUST BOUGHT A REPLICA BAKER RIFLE....

Postby DuncaninFrance » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:00 pm

Well this evening I received a reply to my latest email saying that they were still waiting for information about the return of the barrel from the proof House..........
I emailed back to say I had telephoned the proof House and they had no barrels for Derbyshire Arms.........

Oooooooooooooo :loco:

Fastest reply to date......

You have beaten me to it - I was about to send you a further email, having spoken to Gary over a late lunch - it seems he has already collected the barrels (as you found out) before we went to Cressing Temple Barns.
Sorry about the mix - up.
Which means that your barrel will now be browned as per your original instructions.
Work on your stock is scheduled to continue next week.


My reply;

That still does not answer my question of WHEN I am likely to receive the finished article, bearing in mind I have already paid for it in full and because of this it is my opinion that satisfactory completion of this outstanding item should be given priority over more recent orders that you have received.
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Re: JUST BOUGHT A REPLICA BAKER RIFLE....

Postby Niner » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:27 pm

Now... wonder what his next story will be? Reminds me of a fellow that did some work on my boat and did more damage than repair. when he seemed to be taking his time about solving my complaints and only blowing smoke up my butt, I went to Google and looked up his shop and put in a remark in his rating. I gave him one star and the reason why. There were few other ratings. Google let him know right fast that I had lambasted him and he bent over backwards to try to fix the problems I was aware of and begged me to change my remark and score. I let up on him at that juncture and complied. After the fact I found out some other problems I wasn't aware of, sad to say, but can't prove they originated with him.
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:46 pm

Yesterday I sent Derbyshire Arms another email saying it was now 12 months since the order was placed.........what was the situation with my Baker.
I got an email today saying it was ready to ship, probably tomorrow...........I will let you know when/if it arrives.................
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Postby Niner » Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:33 pm

Your aren't holding your breath are you? :bigsmile:
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:04 am

Niner wrote:Your aren't holding your breath are you? :bigsmile:


No bloody way Robert, I trust this lot less than I would trust Trump to be impartial :loco:
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Re: JUST BOUGHT A REPLICA BAKER RIFLE....

Postby DuncaninFrance » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:15 am

From their Facebook account...............

Duncan Andrews What is the point of attending these events when they can't deliver orders that are over 12 months old?

Reply · September 4 at 11:25pm
Derbyshire Arms Ltd
Derbyshire Arms Ltd Orders all have a lead time, depending on what has been ordered, and sometimes as in your case where a new/replacement is needed that time would be extended, as it happens Duncan your musket is now packaged and waiting to be collected - the point of the events are to let people actually see us, as mostly our customers are based all over the UK and Europe, we are also re-enactors and we visit/re-enact different eras at events again all over the UK & Europe.


Will wait till it arrives and will comment further :evil:
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Re: JUST BOUGHT A REPLICA BAKER RIFLE....

Postby DuncaninFrance » Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:27 pm

Just received this answer to my lasted question to the buggers..............

Hello Duncan, we have had a few issues with parcel force about sending our products abroad, TNT have stopped their service completely, which is why we have been trying to use parcelforce. However, they sent it by air and it was returned. I have tried to find someone else who will carry it, but they failed to collect it. I've now got an agreement sorted out with parcelforce through the BASC and I will be putting your Baker back in the post from our main post office. It will though be coming overland not by air. As soon as I have got it sorted out I'll send you the necessary information so you can track it. Jeni

I TOLD them there would be shipping problems and they said "Oh we don't think so" Bunch of wan***s :shock: :shock:
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Postby Niner » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:18 pm

He's got to be running out of excuses. Maybe this time you will actually see it. Hope so.
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Postby Aughnanure » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:37 am

Small Debts Court or whatever it's called over there?
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:05 pm

Doing nothing till it gets here ( :loco: :loco: ) but I shall then bugger his business up a bit with some very explicit information that he can't refute. And I may also report him to the Derbyshire Constabulary Firearms Dept because he is a RFD and if he sends the gun without a proof cert it's illegal in France. I shall check and see if the Birmingham Proof House issued one....................................
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:42 am

They say it is now in transit "I am only sorry that it has taken so long to get it back to you - thank you for your patience." Well, we shall see about that :evil:
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Postby Niner Delta » Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:58 pm

When someone says, "Thank you for your patience", or "Thank you for waiting.", my usual reply
is, "Oh, I didn't know I had a choice." This get a variety of reactions from them.......... :mrgreen:


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Postby joseyclosey » Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:24 am

Hope you get a good result Duncan, however......
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:16 pm

Well, it's not here YET!
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:21 am

It arrived today. I have been in Bordeaux all day so haven't had time to open it.........................
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Postby Niner » Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:02 am

And so.... what did they send you????? :loco:
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:00 pm

The replacement finally arrived on Friday - 11 months after it was offered........It is marginally better than the first but not finished properly - the barrel having been rust browned and not finished at all so was covered in loose rust.
The hammer will not go all the way back to full cock without a struggle and the powder channel to the touch hole is only half the size of the original.

I think that the photographs speak for themselves.

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Postby ArchFluffy » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:45 pm

Condolences.

:cry:

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P.S. The rest of you should have attended the skype chat. The saga of the Baker is ongoing!
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:25 pm

I just sent them this.........................

The Baker arrived on Friday and I opened the parcel on Saturday as we did not get home until late in the evening from Bordeaux.
My observations, in no particular order are;
It looks much better than the original on first sight. The Nails that hold the lock in place are in one piece and the ramrod does not intrude into the lock cavity. The colour of the barrel and stock are nearer to the original that I requested.
The finish of the inserts which accept the lock, barrel breech plug and the inside of the patch box are awful. They look as though they were shaped with a chain saw.
The barrel is heavily covered with rust powder. It was the right colour but had not been finished properly - smoothed and sealed.
The Proof Mark has been so badly erased that it is not possible to see it; this makes the Proof Notification that you sent with the Baker useless. It is a legal requirement within Europe that all new weapons must be supplied with a Proof Certificate and the barrel stamping be legible. I am considering contacting the Derbyshire Police Firearms Department because I believe you may be in contravention of your RFD licence.
The lock will not easily move to Full Cock, probably because of the poor finish in the wood of the insert. I hope to be able to fix this myself.
The general metal to wood fit is very poor, even Ardesa can do better which is saying something.........
The overall quality of the arm is appalling for the price and having waited for the replacement to arrive for more than 9 months I can honestly say that your customer service and quality control is the worst that I have ever experienced and I earned my living by looking after my customers so I know when I am being lied to - and boy have I been lied to by you - you have not supplied me with any progress reports or photographs as you promised. Any information has been supplied by you after repeated questions from me and in most cases has been a pale reflection of the truth….............
Everyone in my circle of collectors and shooters who has seen the detailed photographs that I have taken is at a loss to understand how anyone could have the bare faced effrontery to class this piece as an
"affordable historically correct weaponry, from the 14th century to the 19th century"
That is from your website and so is this.............
"On average the lead time on our popular range is 8 - 12 weeks, this is the turnaround time from you ordering with us and the order/consignment arriving from our manufacturers in India. Our popular Muskets, Carbines and Pistols are manufactured by Master Craftsmen on our behalf to our specifications and exacting standards.
They arrive 'in the white' and we strip them back to their individual components and rebuild them in or workshop. Each stock is oiled and waxed to ensure they enjoy a long life and are waterproof "

I am still dissatisfied with the whole piece and as you are not prepared to refund my purchase price as I have asked on various occasions I shall make sure that anyone who asks me about your company learns the truth about the poor quality of your service and of your Indian manufactured products.
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Postby Niner » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:10 pm

Well... at least you can now see an end to this long standing pain in the butt problem. It could have ended in a worse way. At least they sent you something after a long time and a lot of prodding.
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Not good.....
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:49 pm

Well I have been working on the bloody thing and have actually fired it 4 times (9 attempts ) using a .618" / 345 grain patched ball.

Initial conclusion after emailing a rifle maker friend in the States is that the lock is a piece of garbage.
He does, however think that something can be salvaged from it to make a functioning piece.

So, I need to strip it down and work on all parts as instructed by him in emails and if I don't screw up I might yet save the day........
At least it's the right time of year for this sort of thing :shock: :razz: :razz: :razz: .

A few images to show you just how bad it is............

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Good job I bought a Mainspring Clamp last year!!!
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Postby Niner » Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:13 pm

I look forward to seeing the next report. Just remember that whatever metal you file off you can't put back if you make a mistake. :bigsmile:
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Postby Niner Delta » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:22 pm

That filing thing is a good point, although Duncan obviously already knows that. I found that out
the hard way when doing very little filing and a lot of polishing on the trigger of an AR-15. I made it
so smooth that every time I pulled the trigger it did a double or triple tap, making it a fully auto rifle...... :shock:
So when I got home I used a bench grinder on it to totally destroy it and threw the pieces in the trash..... :(
Luckily, the triggers are cheap and easy to come by, not sure about the parts for Duncan's rifle..... :mrgreen:



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Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:55 am

I approach this project with some trepidation because all the parts are mass produced to no tolerance whatsoever :shock:
The ultimate lesson is; If a seller is selling Indian made weapons then do not believe whatever he says about the quality or how much work he puts in before delivering the goods to you - crap is still crap.

As for Derbyshire Arms in the UK...........They have lied consistently during the time they dealt with me and are no more than dealers in sub standard merchandise which they buy from India. Do not trust them, they are dishonest charlatans...............................
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Re: JUST BOUGHT A REPLICA BAKER RIFLE....

Postby DuncaninFrance » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:10 pm

I stripped the lock of the Baker Copy today before trying to polish and fine tune it into something that will actually work......not impressed.


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Postby Niner » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:13 pm

Looks like you got it into as many pieces as you can take apart. For me that is always step one in a great deal of frustration. :bigsmile:
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Postby Aughnanure » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:36 am

Duncan,

It is indeed a 'heap a ....", but be consoled it is historically accurate in that it is at least as bad as the worst contract muskets of the Napoleonic War era. (note: no smilies).
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:31 am

As I have said, I have a mentor in Iowa who is helping me sort this cow of a piece out :roll: here are his comments on the photographs which I sent him.

You certain this lock was not made in Nepal? :roll: ;)

So here goes:

1. Grind/stone the hook on the main spring where it rubs on the lock plate.
2. Ditto the tumbler. May be rubbing on the edge corners around the tumbler foot because of poor fit of tumbler shaft to plate. Check for wear against the inside of bridle.
3. Ditto sear.
4. Actually all components are scabrous and in need of some polishing or at least leveling the surfaces and removing burrs.
5. Polish off any place that shows wear. Note that any wear marks on the tumbler, sear, and frizzen may indicate poor hardening and may need to be reworked.
6. Make certain the tip of the sear spring does not touch the hump of the sear (which the mounting screw goes through) in any position. It should touch just behind it.
7. Smooth the inside of the lock plate.
8. Make certain there are no burrs projecting beyond the edges of their respective holes. Countersink lightly, if required. (a drill bit countersinks holes admirably.)
9. Sear spring appears to have cold shut- probably going to fail you later on. Do not know why there is a slot in the knee of the spring. The tip looks.......
10. Tumbler and sear must pivot effortlessly when reassembled.
11. No drag on the springs. Use grease on the tips.
12. Examine frizzen face for scuff marks. You want the flint in position to obtain the longest scratch marks possible AND throw open the frizzen from the pan.
13. There should be no hesitation of the flint to throw the frizzen open. If there is, the frizzen toe may be at fault – poor geometry. The frizzen may be dragging on the frizzen screw. The toe maybe dragging on the spring for some reason, such as metal bits or file marks, etc.

A good flint lock and flint will fire the main charge usually 1 out of 6 times without powder in the pan. A frizzen spring is not essential to fire the gun. A properly fitted and tuned flint lock will feel glass smooth when assembled and cocked. You should be able to fire the flint lock by holding it in your hand and feel little or no torque as the components go through their paces. A good flint lock can have the pan filled with powder, your thumb covering the hole where the pan fits to the vent, the lock held under running water, pulled out and be immediately fired with soaked frizzen 100% of the time. (I love showing people this.) A good flint lock will fire 100% of the time upside down.

Now that you know some of the standards, try to bring your lock into line as much as you can. Do realize this is not an exercise in futility, but yet another opportunity to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. One thought not discussed is that you may be able to fit Rifle Shoppe parts to your plate and thus end up with a fine functioning lock worth keeping.

So, thats the plan for now................
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Postby Niner » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:19 am

Your friend, no doubt, is a real flintlock gunsmith. Good luck following his directions to the letter.

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