M41 Carcano

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M41 Carcano

Postby joseyclosey » Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:23 pm

I recently acquired a 6.5X52 M41 and have just been trying some of my indoor low power rounds in it.
Only 4.6g of Vihtavuori N320 under 170g Lee and 134g NOE bullets and, despite struggling with the sights, was quite pleased with results so far at 25m.
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Re: M41 Carcano

Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:34 pm

He's dead Jim!
Joe, I am interested in how you work out a low power round and what sort of performance you get in relation to a full charge one. :)
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Re: M41 Carcano

Postby Niner » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:04 pm

How did you work out aiming it on an indoor range with a sight configured for ...what...400 meters?
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Re: M41 Carcano

Postby joseyclosey » Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:37 pm

Duncan, I base my loading for cast bullet rounds on the info from this article by C.E. Harris.
Most of my shooting these days is with cast bullets as the price of PPU is getting prohibitive for me considering the amount of shooting I do. I am out anything up to 4 times a week some weeks, both indoor and out, anything from 15m up to 300m.
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Re: M41 Carcano

Postby joseyclosey » Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:42 pm

Robert, this rifle shoots high and I was just using the battle sight with the foresight low in the vee.
At 300m last weekend with PPU factory rounds I still had to aim at the target base to get in the black using the 300m sight setting.
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Re: M41 Carcano

Postby dhtaxi » Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:36 pm

Duncan the secret is to use a fast pistol powder I shoot my AIA in 7.62x39 using 3.6 grains of bullseye with a 150grain Loverin cast bullet. I shoot a similiar load through the MAS. Like Joe Im finding the price of ammo is starting to affect the amount of shooting I can afford to do. I have bought a cheap .308 target rifle that I am converting to use with cast boolits I have removed the parker hale rear sight and drilled and tapped it for a scope rail. I intend to shorten the barrel to 26" and restock it using a Mauser stock. I intend to use it out to 300 yards. It was destined for the scrap bin so nothings lost if it dosnt work.
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Re: M41 Carcano

Postby DuncaninFrance » Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:09 pm

Interesting info gents, many thanks........
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Re: M41 Carcano

Postby PeterN2 » Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:41 pm

Nice rifle and nice shooting. I have one of those and mine shoots high also. I have not used PPU ammo but reloaded for it with PPU bullets. Where did you get the brass clips from? I have a few blued steel ones but they could work better than they do.
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Re: M41 Carcano

Postby joseyclosey » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:40 am

Are the PPU fmj bullets .264" Peter? My barrel slugs at .256" bore and .269" groove so I have just started with the Lee and Noe cast bullets which both drop at around .268".
The brass charger came with the rifle though I do have a few steel ones from a previous Carcano.
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Re: M41 Carcano

Postby joseyclosey » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:08 am

Out of interest Peter which shell holder do use ? The supplied Lee No. 2 is a slack fit and is damaging the case rim if I'm not very careful. I read the RCBS No. 9 is better, do you have any recommendations?
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Re: M41 Carcano

Postby Dutch Mosin » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:28 pm

Very nice rifle and good shooting Joe.

I've been using cast bullets with reduced loads for years now.
The powder I use is VihtaVuori N110.
For my Mosin Nagant I use 18gn of N110 and results are good at the 100 meter range.
For my Dutch M95 (6.5x53.5R) I use 17gn of N110.

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Re: M41 Carcano

Postby joseyclosey » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:48 pm

I have been picking up some N110 Martin but haven't yet got round to using it in my rifles. I have used the similar Alliant 2400 with good results but decided the Viht powders are more cost effective so I'm in the processing of switching to them from the 'merican powder lines.
I do have a fancy for a Dutch M95 but they seem a bit thin on the ground over here, however, depending upon my pecuniary circumstances, something may turn up.
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Re: M41 Carcano

Postby PeterN2 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:52 pm

I have not slugged the bore on my rifle. I have used the PPU bullets that are .264 in. They shoot not too bad, though I haven't shot it enough to work up the best load. I have been using 30 grains of IMR 3031 with the 139 grain bullet.
The number 2 shell holder is a bit slack but I have not noticed any damaged rims. I am using Frontier brass that I got years ago. I converted half of it to 7.35 Carcano. I have also shot it with the top of the foresight at the bottom of the V of rear sight to bring the point of impact down a bit. I was once told this is how the Italians aimed their rifles but I don't know if that is true or not.
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Re: M41 Carcano

Postby joseyclosey » Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:36 am

I'm using PPU brass and think the rims are little too thin. The reading I've done reckons the RCBS no. 9 is a better fit though it is more suited to Grafs brass in particular for the 6.5X54 MS.
I have also read the Italian soldier was taught the the high and low method of holding the foresight in the vee.
Thanks for the info Peter,
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Re: M41 Carcano

Postby joseyclosey » Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:31 am

I got round to trying the Lyman X1 shellholder, which fits the PPU brass a lot a better, though I'm still cautious with the sizing and priming processes.
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Re: M41 Carcano

Postby dhtaxi » Wed Dec 07, 2016 2:36 pm

Joe I may be able to get my hands on a no9 RCBS shell holder but it would not be in the UK until after the new year if that's any good.
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Re: M41 Carcano

Postby dhtaxi » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:31 pm

I have checked I can get RCBS No 9 shell holders they would be in the UK the first week in January if that's any good. They are about 7 dollars. Let me know if you want one.

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Re: M41 Carcano

Postby joseyclosey » Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:26 pm

Thanks Dave but the Lyman does the job. Replied to PM.
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