The evil we support in the world today

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The evil we support in the world today

Postby Niner » Sun May 20, 2018 10:49 am

I was talking to a friend right after the Israeli troops killed 60 unarmed protesters and wounded thousands more...in one day. Collectively over a few weeks the numbers are unknown to me but how many the armed troops killed must be much larger in total killed and wounded by a times figure more than one. The Gaza concentration camp is about the size of Detroit and the inmates number about two million with a high percentage of children. The unarmed protesters were still inside the fence of that locked in on all sides concentration camp when they were shot down. Meanwhile our media repeats the Israeli line of justification with no push back. Trumps daughter and her husband, as loyal supporters of Israel and poppa Trump, were making speeches at the new American embassy in Jerusalem as though nothing was happening beyond a simple protest twenty or thirty miles away.

The American press..... CBS interviewed Netanyahu and his remarks amounted to this:

On May 14, Israeli snipers and other forces gunned down more than 60 Palestinians, and wounded thousands of others, including civilians, journalists, and paramedics. “You try nonlethal means and they don’t work,” said Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. “So you’re left with bad choices. It’s a bad deal. You know, you try and you go for below the knee, and sometimes it doesn’t work, and unfortunately these things are avoidable.”

https://theintercept.com/2018/05/20/nor ... m-embassy/

My friend was all in with Netanyahu. Palestinians are Muslim so they must be wrong and terrorists put them up to the protest and rock throwing against soldiers firing at them. It was not surprising that he thought that. Old people like us tend to be "conservative" and latch on to the notion that has been sold us by tradition that the Israelis are our friends....didn't the Nazi's do heinous things to them and kill millions of them 75 or so years ago? They wouldn't turn the table against another defenseless people ...would they? Unbelievable. Besides, don't all card carrying Christians recognize their connection to the old testament tribe from which Christ was birthed?

I think the US has lost it's conscience....... if it ever had one. Read this editorial and tell me what you think.

https://theintercept.com/2018/05/20/nor ... m-embassy/
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Re: The evil we support in the world today

Postby DuncaninFrance » Sun May 20, 2018 4:42 pm

I was not able to read the article linked, mainly because I was not prepared to spend so much time trying to digest it all.

I would say, however, that I personally think that both sides of the argument deserve all the grief that they get. NEITHER side is prepared to consider the others grievances - both sides go out of their way to antagonize the other - both sides claim the ritual high ground - neither side is prepared to listen to the other - both sides are responsible for gratuitous violence.

Nothing is going to sort out this mess until BOTH SIDES are prepared to sit down and talk to each other without any pre-conditions.

Until then they both deserve the grief that they are currently suffering.................
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Re: The evil we support in the world today

Postby Niner » Sun May 20, 2018 5:01 pm

It's not case of two countries at war. It's a case of captor and captive. Guns against protest sign waving and rocks isn't a fair fight. It's a slaughter. Particularly if the protesters are inside their cage when they are shot down.

As a special session of the UN human rights council voted to set up a commission of inquiry to look into Monday’s violence, Zeid Ra’ad al-Hussein said that while 60 Palestinians were killed and thousands injured in the day of protests, “on the Israeli side, one soldier was reportedly wounded, slightly, by a stone.”


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Re: The evil we support in the world today

Postby DuncaninFrance » Mon May 21, 2018 2:57 am

Guns against protest sign waving and rocks


But it isn't.
Fatah Hamas Islamic Jihad
PFLP DFLP PRC
Ansar al-Sunna Force 17
Army of Islam Tawhid wal-Jihad
Abdullah Azzam Brigades
Mujahideen Shura Council

ALL responsible for rocket attacks since 2001 using Mortar. Qassam. Al-Quds. Katyusha. Grad. Fajr-5. Plus insurgents killing, kidnapping and terrorising Israel.

Israel fuels the problem by building on disputed land. Unfortunately, both sides of the dispute are guilty of terrorist atrocities:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence

As I said, Nothing is going to sort out this mess until BOTH SIDES are prepared to sit down and talk to each other without any pre-conditions.
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Re: The evil we support in the world today

Postby Niner » Mon May 21, 2018 10:23 am

I'm sure there are "bad actors" enough on the Palestinian side. I agree that the larger Palestinian problem, beyond the Gaza Strip which is where the killing is at the moment, and creation of a separate Palestinian state could be better off settled by open and fair negotiation between the people involved. My concern is..... should the US support the recent, and apparently continuing, slaughter of captives of Gaza because of unquestioned loyalty to Israel?

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