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Drill Rifles??

Postby deadin » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:10 pm

I picked up a couple of Drill Rifles today. At least one is a bonefide DP, an Enfield L59A1. From what I have been able to find these seem somewhat scarce, especially here in the States. Any information on this one would be greatly appreciated.
The other one is a Steyr M95 Straight Pull Infantry Rifle. I don't know if it was configured for Drill Purposes of just deactivated for training. The chamber has been milled open from the top and the firing pin hole welded shut. I haven't had it out of the stock yet so I don't know if the barrel is welded to the receiver. The barrel itself isn't plugged.
I paid $100 for the pair, so I don't think I was hurt.....

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Re: Drill Rifles??

Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:29 am

Will check my Snetterton when I get home Dean - should be covered in that.
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Re: Drill Rifles??

Postby DuncaninFrance » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:52 pm

OK Dean, I think this is what you are looking for.
From Ian Skennerton's book The Lee Enfield. ( Don't know where I got Snetterton from, it'#s a motor racing circuit in England!

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Hope this helps you :GBR:
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Re: Drill Rifles??

Postby deadin » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:27 pm

Duncan, Thanks! That's it.
There is almost more info there than I can process in one sitting. I looked up buying a Skennerton, but they want over $70.00 US for one... (Maybe if I really get into Enfields.)
Mine doesn't appear to have the copper plated bolt nor does it have any markings "lined out". The only markings I can find are the one's on the side of the receiver. No sign of anything on the socket. Also the "viewing hole" in the side of the stock is round instead of rectangular. Everything else is as described.

Another question, I found a picture of an L59A1 with an attached spike bayonet that was also marked with a "DP" on a white band around the rear part of the mount. Any idea what was done to make a tent-peg into a Drill Purpose item?

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Postby DuncaninFrance » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:36 pm

Perhaps this is waht you are talking about? It is also designated at an L59A1.

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As to the book, I can tell you it is worth every penny of $70, even if you don't collect Enfield's.!
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Re: Drill Rifles??

Postby Aughnanure » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:26 pm

Dean,

Reference the Steyr, I read somewhere years ago, that the rifle as you describe was for drill purposes within the prison system in Austria, where crims were expected to fulfill their military training obligations.
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Re: Drill Rifles??

Postby Niner » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:07 pm

Speaking of Enfield DP rifles. I remembered an old Springfield Sporters catalog from fifteen or so, likely more, years ago. The III's were cheaper than the 4's for some reason. I never bought any of them. I did buy one thing from that catalog. I got a converted during the war 8mm Carcano carbine that was probably stored in North Africa....super baked bone dry wood stock ...$65. In firing condition.....more or less. (Just looked it up...1999.) And I actually shot it with 8mm Turk surplus and lived to tell about it. Only shot it a few times on one occasion though.
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Postby englishman_ca » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:06 pm

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These are my two drill rifles. Both 1891 MLM Mk.I*. Both DP marked with iron butt discs. Both have India arsenal markings.
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Postby englishman_ca » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:08 pm

Since that I actually managed to post a pic, I am feeling clever and will try another one.

Martini Enfield artillery carbine Mk.II converted in 1899 from an 1888 IC1.
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:14 pm

englishman_ca wrote:
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These are my two drill rifles. Both 1891 MLM Mk.I*. Both DP marked with iron butt discs. Both have India arsenal markings.


Those look extremely nice pieces, as does the Martini. :) :) :)
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Postby englishman_ca » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:01 pm

Thanks, I am lucky to be their custodian for a while.

They didn't look like that when I got them. They have been repaired and refreshed.

All three are live and capable of firing ball rounds.

I have gauged them and they seem to have very little wear.
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Re: Drill Rifles??

Postby deadin » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:43 pm

All three are live and capable of firing ball rounds.


Wouldn't this remove them from "Drill Rifle" status??
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Postby englishman_ca » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:40 pm

A very good point.

Current Canadian drill rifle specs are to weld the breech up and weld the muzzle closed. White paint band on butt and muzzle.

Other countries' specs range from completely deactivated to completely live.

Status is that DP marking I guess and maybe some form of paint band.

These ones have DP stamped on them in several places. Hard to miss.
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Re: Drill Rifles??

Postby deadin » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:17 am

Are you sure that is all that was done to deactivate them? My L59A1 has also had the bolt lugs and the internal lug seats slighted (weakened) to the point that if a round was to be fired they would probably fail and you would be wearing the bolt in your face.
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Re: Drill Rifles??

Postby englishman_ca » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:43 am

Nope, all that was done to these early Metfords was the stamping of DP on receiver ring, barrel nocks, in front of trigger guard and on the butt stock either side of the class of arm markings. They are 100% functional and would pass morning inspection by the RSM.

As I understand, they were used as DP without bolt or mag.
No appreciable wear to the blue on the bolt head rail. The butt plates suggest that they were used for square bashing. Negligible wear on the bore, zero erosion in the throat, which tells me that they were never shot when in service,

Usually when found, Mk.I DPs are missing the bolt and mag, but that could be due to civilian hands.

Every MLM Mk.I that I encounter here in Canada is invariably DP marked.

Canada did by 1400 Lee Metfords, a mix of Mk.I and Mk.II. I have one of the ex Canadian service Mk.II rifles M&D marked.
My holy grail is a Canadian marked Mk.I.


And.......... since I tell EVERYBODY, I am on the hunt for an eight round single stack magazine, or just mag body.
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Re: Drill Rifles??

Postby Aughnanure » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:46 pm

I have the nose cap and other fittings from a DP No3 rifle that was set up for target use and the owner didn't want DP bits on his rifle.
The barrel was as new.
As I remember DP No 1 rifles in Australian service were fireable, I remember re-blackening some and they were rebuilt as normal.
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