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Extract from an e.book I just downloaded

Post by DuncaninFrance » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:37 pm

Title: British Regiments at the Front, The Story of Their Battle Honours

Author: Reginald Hodder

NICKNAMES OF THE REGIMENTS AND HOW THEY WERE WON


"The Havercake Lads."

The West Riding Regiment (The Duke of Wellington's) is said to have
derived its nickname from the fact that the recruiting sergeants in the
old days carried an oat cake on the points of their swords. There is a
joke among "The Havercakes" as old as their first recruiting sergeant.
This enterprising man was in the habit of addressing the Yorkshire crowd
as follows: "Come, my lads; don't lose your time listening to what them
foot sojers says about their ridgements. List in /my/ ridgement and
you'll be all right. Their ridgements are obliged to march on foot, but
my ridgement is the gallant 33rd, the First Yorkshire West Riding
Ridgement, and when ye join headquarters ye'll be all mounted on horses."

The 2nd Battalion is known as "The Immortals," from the fact that in the
Indian wars under Lord Lake every man bore the marks of wounds. They
were also called "The Seven and Sixpennies" from their number (76th) and
from the fact that seven and sixpence represented a lieutenant's pay.

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The DWR was the only regiment to have the privilege of carrying four colours; two regulation and two honorary. The Honorary Colours are descended from a pair presented to the 76th by the Honourable East India Company in 1808.
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Post by Niner » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:28 pm

Nice flags. Lots of Regiment pride for sure. Probably aids in recruitment.

Speaking of recruiting reminds me of something Sid Phillips said about himself and his good friend Eugene Sledge. Eugene Sledge is somewhat famous as having written a WWII memoir about his time in the Marines in a book entitled With the Old Breed. They both were friends from childhood and as soon as the US was in WWII after the attack on Pearl Harbor they both went down town in Mobile to enlist. They thought they would join the Navy and when they got to the enlistment office there was a line outside of all the boys wanting to enlist in the Navy. As they were waiting in line they noticed a door for the Marines where there wasn't a line. A Marine recruiter came up to the Navy line and got to talking to Sid and Eugene. He said..." you boys want to kill some Japs?" They said that was the general idea. Then he said, " Your parents are married ain't they? " "Of course", they said. "Then you need to join the Marines, he said." So they did.
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Post by Niner Delta » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:46 pm

This is how I actually ended up in the Army.....
My best friend and I were sitting in a boring class at the local Community College in the spring
of 1967. We both got up and walked out in the middle of the class and went to the office and quit
school. We knew we would get drafted so we decided to join the Air Force. Went to the local Post
Office where all the military recruiters were in one big room in the basement. Walked to the A.F.
recruiter to join and he told us there was an 8 month waiting list...........oops.
The Navy recruiter heard all this and said he could get us in the Navy right now, I told him we didn't
like bell bottom pants and we walked over and joined the Army.
I was willing to spend 4 years in A.F., but not in the Navy. The Army was 3 years and the Marines
were never even considered.............. :cool:

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Post by Niner » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:23 pm

I guess you knew, Vern, if you waited until they drafted you, that patriotic involuntary servitude only lasted for two years....or until they got you seriously wounded or killed in Vietnam, didn't you? I knew a few guys that enlisted to be some particular support job and...the low life recruiter lied about the various catch 22's and they ended up in the infantry.

When I was in Vietnam my mother forwarded my mail...all of it. Not that I had much mail. But one she forwarded was a letter from the local Army recruiter offering to come see me to tell me about the benefits of the Army. I mentioned it jokingly and an E6 Platoon Sergeant, who was a pretty tough guy and "real" soldier, took it out of my hand and said, "Give me that thing. I'll send that SOB an invite to come on over here and talk to me". Needless to say.....the recruiter never showed up.
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Post by Niner Delta » Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:58 pm

Yup, I was one of those guys. I signed up for FADAC (Field Artillery Digital Automatic Computer) Repair
School. I know Robert knows what that is. Anyway, went to 5 1/2 months of school, in Redstone Arsenal, Alabama
and Aberdeen Proving Grounds, Maryland. They said they had enough repairmen and those of us that didn't
finish in the upper part of the class were sent to artillery school. Just my luck I was in same class as smart
guys....... :cool:
So I went to artillery AIT, didn't learn anything because I was already a PFC when I got to Ft. Sill so the 1ST Sgt
made me the Battery Commander's driver. So then the Army decided that since I didn't know anything about
artillery after AIT, they would send me to Shake-n-bake school to be an arty NCO......sheesh.
By the time I got to Nam, I had already been in the Army for a year and a half, and they send me out on a FO team.
I enlisted for 3 years so I wouldn't get drafted and end up with the infantry in Nam..............and there I was.
Sure outsmarted them, didn't I......... :mrgreen:

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Post by BobB1 » Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:26 am

Some of the biggest complainers we had were guys that had enlisted for just that reason. Those of us that were drafted had no illusions. We had a pretty good idea where we were going and that it was going to be hell. They were still wondering how the hell they ended up there.

On the other hand, I have a friend who was drafted and then sent to school for a line guided missile that I never saw used or even heard of in Vietnam. He ended up a cook and never left the continental US.
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Post by Niner » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:23 pm

Enlistment promises broken sometimes set off some strange turns of events. I knew a guy who enlisted to be a helicopter pilot. He washed out of flight school so they sent him to Ft. Sill for a chance to join artillery OCS. He was put in the FDC school and got put in the OCS track class. After a while he was dropped from the OCS class because they found him less than satisfactory in some way that had nothing to do with learning the FDC class. He ended up in Vietnam in the battery I was sent to the infantry from. He got there about the same time as me. He went to work in the FDC, by this time a Specialist 4. Months go by. No lieutenant grade FO's are showing up because the 3rd brigade of the 9th is on the cusp of being removed from Vietnam. Only volunteer enlisted men are filling in the cracks of the FO teams. Five months into his tour he gets the urge to prove he could hold down a FO job which would normally go to an officer. It still bother him that he was found not good enough to be an officer. He begged and pleaded and finally they gave him the chance. He was assigned to the recon platoon of Echo company just before Cambodia in May of 1970. On the first insertion into Cambodia with his outfit he got killed just as he got off the chopper by small arms fire. He never directed even one fire mission.

I guess my take is the lesson he should have learned, and didn't, was that no matter what the Army did to you, don't go looking for glory. It may very well kill you.
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Post by Niner Delta » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:37 pm

My recruiter promised I would go to that school, and I did, he never promised I would do that after
the school. He never lied to me. Wasn't his fault I was in lower part of class.
I never wondered how I ended up in Nam, Shake-n-bake school was a guaranteed ticket to attend the............
South-East Asia Advanced School of Jungle Warfare..........Class of '69.

After a couple of months in the arty, I wasn't thrilled to go out with the infantry on the FO team. But once
I got used to it, I liked it better than the arty. One time back in the base camp at Dong Tam, I ran
into the arty 1st Sgt that sent me on the FO team. With a smirk he asked me if I wanted to come back to
the arty unit, thinking I would beg to get out of the field. I loved the look in his face when I told him I
would rather stay on the FO team until time to go home, and I did.

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Post by Aughnanure » Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:41 pm

Army recruiters will tell you anything!

When I joined up I wanted to be an Armourer and was told that there were vacancies for Armourers, which was true, and that when I finished Recruit Training that I'd be sure to get my wish.
Naive me eagerly signed on the dotted line.

At the successful completion of training we fronted the Allocation Officer, so I told him of my desire,
"Get a couple of medals up, lad, and you'll get an Armourer's Course. . . . Infantry."

He was right about the course but I only got one medal because the truce was signed before I arrived in Korea, I still got shot at, but as I always say "I never heard a shot fired in anger, only in frustration".

The ballistic crack is the same, so I'm told!

I must add that that the AO did me a big favour and that I've always been glad that I got to be a Rifleman and made some great friends.
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Post by BobB1 » Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:09 am

Vern, I ran into our arty FO from Vietnam a few years ago. He did alright. He was a 2nd lt in '68 when he was with us. He retired as a 2 star general. His last duty station was in Hawaii, so that is where he stayed.

They used to bring us out of the boonies once in a while for a few days rest. Our rest was manning the defense perimeter at a forward artillery battery. The field for them, the rear for us. We got mortared there every time. Not so much when we were out.
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