THE FIRST WORLD WAR as reported in the daily news

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:09 am

Niner Delta wrote:Don't want to post on Duncan's WWI thread, but I'm wondering where Wed. July 18, 1917 is??
He skipped over it, is this a test to see if anyone is reading his thread....... :mrgreen:


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Thank''s Vern. I did post it but it has disappeared - It happens sometimes. Back to normal now mate :)
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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner Delta » Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:54 pm

HA!...you were trying to trick us and we caught you.... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
You will pay a heavy price for this attempted deception..... :cool:


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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:30 am

So now the President gets control over the production and distribution of provender and fuel and what any of it can cost and how much you can buy and what you can't use it for.....namely booze.

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:39 pm

Browning M1917 machinegun and the Browning Automatic Rifle get ordered....along with some Lewis machine guns.
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In 1917, before the United States joined the First World War, John Browning brought two weapons to Washington, D.C. These were: a water-cooled machine gun (later named the M1917 Browning machine gun) and an automatic rifle. Back then, this automatic rifle was called the Browning Machine Rifle or BMR. Both of these weapons fired the standard U.S. cartridge.[1] John Browning had set up a demonstration of the weapons at Congress Heights.[4] Congress Heights is just outside of Washington D.C. On 27 February 1917, Browning tested the automatic rifle in front of 300 people. The crowd was so impressed that he was immediately given a contract for the weapon. It was quickly brought into service. The water-cooled machine gun was tested further.[4]
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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:39 am

The Army is going to need a little money for uniforms, food, web gear, boots and such.

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Postby Niner » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:23 pm

The new difference between Calvary and Infantry. The officers get to keep their boots and spurs.

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby DuncaninFrance » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:08 am

Why doesn't that surprise me :cool: :cool: :cool:
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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:42 pm

How about this for punishment. A Brunswick Canada "kiltie" gets a punishment. Notice the MacLean is apparently spelled wrong as "McClean" in the newspaper.

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner Delta » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:27 pm

What was the "bombing squad"..??

I never understood bigamy, seems I could barely handle one wife, why would anyone want two......... :shock: :mrgreen:


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Postby Niner » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:49 pm

Vern, I think it was the same as "hand grenade" squad. Maybe they used explosives to blow holes in the wire entanglements as well .. Have to look it up.

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Similarly, a Canadian officer claimed that in a nine
man grenade squad, the two throwers should follow the
instructions of, and prepare the way for, the two 'bayonet
men'.7
In practice it depended on circumstances. The
rifle was far more accurate at a far greater range, and it
took far longer to use up one man's stock of rifle ammunition.
But at short range a single grenade was far more
lethal than a single round of rifle ammunition, especially
in a confined space, and it was ideal for attacking an
enemy concealed behind cover or inside a pill-box.


The "bomb" squad was an attacking group with some tossing grenades and others with only rifles and bayonets this site suggests.
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Postby Niner » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:30 am

While in the US suffragettes were fighting for the vote, and getting thrown in jail for their efforts, in Russia, even in the middle of a revolution, a battalion of women was formed and put into the line of battle. Can you imagine the taunts if a German unit had it's ass kicked by a bunch of Russian women? Talk about your deflated egos and tarnished iron crosses... to say nothing about the red faces and shrunken johnsons.

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:29 pm

So they needed a name. Not exactly warlike being called a "Sammy" but the head general drew the line when it came to "Teddy" making a bid. Wouldn't do to have a nick name that would seem to connect to Teddy Roosevelt while Wilson was President I suspect.

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There were other choices.
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Postby Niner Delta » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:01 pm

Amexes sounds like the troops are American/Mexican........... :roll:

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Postby Niner » Sat Jul 29, 2017 11:11 am

What is surprising is there is no mention of "Dough boy" in newspapers from 100 years ago. Doughboy is a term that goes back to the Mexican war..according to the internet because of the dust on the uniforms from unpaved roads, or from the buttons on the coat, or because they might have cooked dough on their ramrods over a fire. It's pretty unknown why. In later history the term Dough Boy seems to have stuck and the "Sammy" lost to time. Wonder what the troops thought about it... if at all.
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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby DuncaninFrance » Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:52 pm

Well, According to J. H. Leslie, writing in Notes and Queries in 1912, "Tommy Atkins" was chosen as a generic name by the War Office in 1815 so it stuck.................... :bigsmile:
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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:14 pm

Now here is a question some of us have been asking about Iraq and Afghanistan and other places in present times. US Senator wants to know what we are fighting for and wants a clear understanding of objectives and he wants to define what the end would be for us. The British House of Commons Mr. Asquith, just wants to show resolve in continuing the war and assume that "the people" will define the terms at the end when all enemies are completely defeated.

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:07 am

As the great meat grinder of the war continues. In Russia the rebels in power for the moment still are determined to continue the war. The head rebel is so determined he is shooting any and all who retreat without being ordered. The guy they want to kill most is nowhere to be found..... but reaping the benefits.
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Postby Niner » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:21 am

US papers note the big offensive by British and French on the Belgium front. Newspapers say a major objective is to capture German Submarine bases along the coast. It started off with the worlds most intense artillery barrage and then the attack.

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:49 am

British foreign secretary Balfour reflects on the British view of peace terms. Although he doesn't actually want to speculate upon any set terms he maintains that Britain got into the war for altruistic reasons and that magnanimity will direct the British position at the end of hostilities.

Not the complete article but just some of the parts that struck me as interesting in showing an attitude that would get lost at the end of the war and set the stage for the next war with the "hard" peace terms that actually followed.

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:26 pm

The draft isn't doing all that well. More than a few claim exemptions for one thing and another...besides the ones who are ruled out because they are "resident aliens" and the ones with flat feet.

Here is one report from Washington DC. New York City is coming up with worse acceptance numbers.

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Postby DuncaninFrance » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:09 am

It will change as the necessity changes, that is what happened in Britain.
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Postby Niner » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:41 pm

If you are nervous in the service you could be drummed out by specialists on the subject. Can't help to wonder what they would have thought about today's "transgender" service members.

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:59 am

Outside of needing a long extension cord.....

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The idea was even tested during World War I by the US Bureau of Standards, using a prototype built by lawyer Edward T. Moore, and advertised as a silent machine gun.[2] The prototype used a powerful electric motor to spin the gun's grooved rotor. It was abandoned due to extremely poor accuracy.[3] Moore was granted USPTO patent number 1332992.[4] Another design can be found in USPTO patent number 1311492, granted in July 1919.[5] Another effort during World War I was to build a centrifugal gun powered by an aircraft's engine. This design was advanced by E. L. Rice and taken seriously by Robert Andrews Millikan and the National Research Council; the project ultimately proved "beyond resolution".[6]
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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:09 am

Not everybody is enthusiastic about soldiering. And the federal government is not sympathetic. One Oklahoma governor is working on damage control.

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:33 pm

And to think a year before Wilson was running for president bragging about keeping America out of the European War. It wasn't our business was the mantra. Now Elihu Root, former Secretary of State, long time political hack of the establishment, and cheer leader for the war, was just back from Russia on a mission from Wilson and was now all in favor of, and enthusiastic for, women on the front lines. Really a turn from a year before. The war fever was upon us now. Doubt seriously if he wanted to send any of his female relatives to the infantry in his place ... or would he?

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Postby Niner » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:27 pm

Proud? Guess it hasn't occurred to them yet that he might come home in a box.

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:33 am

When one plays with war toys accidents will happen. Notice how the story is worded. "Black Lives Matter" didn't occur to white reporters of the day.

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner Delta » Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:02 pm

Wonder why it didn't explode when it "struck near the top of the mountain" ??
Even a glancing hit should have set off the fuse??

I guess the 'negroes' didn't have names...... :roll:


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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:21 pm

Maybe it was a timed fuse on "fuse delay" and it ricocheted off rock before exploding. Didn't you ever use any of them Vern? They were my fuse of choice when bringing it in real close. When they went into the ground before exploding the kill radius was limited and not as likely to kill any friendlies when I wasn't sure how close I was bringing it. They were also good for bunkers.

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