THE FIRST WORLD WAR as reported in the daily news

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THE FIRST WORLD WAR as reported in the daily news

Postby DuncaninFrance » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:27 am

With the 100th anniversary of the start of the 'War To End All Wars' moving ever nearer I thought it would be appropriate for a dedicated thread on MAH to post links and other items concerning the First World War.

As a starter I thought that this link would be an interesting one to view. It is from the CWGC September Newsletter which can be viewed at;

http://newsletters.wizontheweb.co.uk/t/ViewEmail/r/5CD07B26E48DB6B4/B45980184AC16049D8E2A916412CAE5B

As part of that Newsletter the following link takes you to the Commonwealth Cemeteries Of The World site.

http://ww1centenary.oucs.ox.ac.uk/space-into-place/commonwealth-cemeteries-of-world-war-one/

Here is a Google Earth map showing an overlay of the CWGC Cemeteries and memorials in France.
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Postby Niner Delta » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:29 pm

If it was "The War to End all Wars", why did they give it a number?

(And yes, we all know the answer, it's just a little war humor.)

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CANADIAN FORESTRY CORPS.,

Postby DuncaninFrance » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:57 am

Not everyone who joined up or was conscripted actually fought in the front line during WWI.
For example, George Gilbert Bricker of Waterloo, Ontario, H.Q., Canadian Forestry Corps who died on 27 October 1918.
He is buried in TALENCE COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION, Bordeaux, possibly a casualty of the Flu Pandemic that claimed so many lives at the end of the war.
The Royal British legion hold a service here every Remembrance Sunday and a Poppy Cross is placed on the graves of all the 11 burials .
More information about the Corps can be found here.
http://www.russiansinthecef.ca/forestry/index.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Forestry_Corps

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Postby Niner » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:17 am

Since he died just a couple weeks before the end maybe he was one of those who volunteered for the infantry.

I was wondering what the Forestry Corps was doing in a war and found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Forestry_Corps
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:54 pm

That's the second link I posted above Robert!
I doubt he was in any battle or front line as he is buried here in Bordeaux. More likely he was working in the Lands where they grow large acreages of timber.
It's possible a tree fell 0n him or some such mishap I suppose but the flue pandemic gets my vote as there are 9 Canadian graves, all Forestry Corps and all died between October 1917 & September 1918.
None of the records state K.I.A.
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Postby Niner » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:30 pm

:bigsmile: I didn't notice your link before doing a Google. :oops:
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Postby Niner Delta » Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:31 pm

My cousin's Grandfather was in the trenches with the Canadian infantry. When I was a boy he told me stories about the trenches, wish I had a better memory or had written them down. He did get hit with gas, but he didn't seem to have a any permanent damage, guess his gas mask must have worked.
I will be seeing that cousin when I go to Washington this week, will ask her if she remembers any of the stories.

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Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:59 pm

From the Times Diary & Index of The War. 1914-1918

SATURDAY 31st OCTOBER 1914

"London Scottish - first territorial infantry in action, engaged at Messines where they sustained 'unshaken' losses amounting to 278 out of 26 Officers and 786 OR's"
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Postby Dave 101 » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:29 pm

My Grandfather was in the Royal Navy and made it through WWI and served 22 years in all , Then went to work at RSAF Enfield .
I have his world tour a photo albums and many photos of things that happened during WWI .
Heres a photo of his jumper , white cap cover , medals , cap ribbons and German ribbons from captured sailors , The Mary box and items from it , the gun turret I believe he made whilst on board ship , the small brass shield was attached to peice of decking apparently .
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:47 am

I received my November Newsletter from the CWGC today with a link to this video.
http://vimeo.com/52552238

It appears that the commission is using Vimeo as it's base for videos http://vimeo.com/cwgc there being 49 posted so far.

The November News Letter is available here. http://newsletters.wizontheweb.co.uk/t/ViewEmail/r/9015517D2368DCEC/B45980184AC16049D8E2A916412CAE5B
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:13 am

For the 11th of November.................

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields........
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Postby Aughnanure » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:51 pm

Here's a WW I story that I heard a few times, over the years, from my mother; she like thousands of others corresponded with a Digger in France.

I don't know his name other than his first, which was Gordon; there is a tantalizing post card that tells her of a change of address but it doesn't have his name.
He was batman/altar server and, I guess, bodyguard to a Catholic Padre and after the Armistice had come into effect he was shot dead as he and the Padre emerged from a trench that they had just checked to see if everyone was out.

He was probably shot by a German who just wanted to kill one more Brit whilst there was a chance.
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How close my mother and Gordon had become I'll never know but one Armistice Day, when I was home on leave, I remarked to my dad that mum was thinking of Gordon and dad said, as if speaking of an old friend, "If Gordon hadn't been killed he might have been your father".
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PODCASTS

Postby DuncaninFrance » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:31 pm

http://www.1914.org/podcasts/

If you visit this page of the First World War Centenary Site you can hear recordings of veterans talking about various aspects of the conflict, set out in 'podcasts' To date there are some 25 available.
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:38 am

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Postby DuncaninFrance » Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:54 pm

Your Country Needs You' - The myth about the First World War poster that 'never existed'

Here is a very interesting piece................

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-one/10218932/Your-Country-Needs-You-The-myth-about-the-First-World-War-poster-that-never-existed.html
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:34 pm

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Postby Niner » Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:07 pm

Sacred soil imported to the UK? With a full dress parade too? Could this be the start of something? Want some Bunker Hill dirt? How about Normandy beach sand? What about Waterloo? What about Rorke's drift from the Anglo-Zulu War? The UK should have no end of possible sacred soil ceremonies. Although some soils would be pretty bad choices for planting gardens, I'd think. Maybe as a last resort........ any soil could still be the basis for a rock garden. Wonder if it will catch on in the US after England gets a good start on showing us how to do it? ...... I hope not.


But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract.

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Postby DuncaninFrance » Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:37 pm

Seems to me that you have missed the point here Robert. It is a symbol of Remembrance that is being carried out by this generation in honour of those who died in Flanders during WWI.

"Over the summer of 2013, 1,000 schoolchildren from Belgium and Britain filled sandbags with soil from each of the 70 First World War Commonwealth War Grave cemetries and battlefields in Flanders"

The British Army suffered 564,715 deaths in this region during WWI, 512,647 being battle casualties as opposed to disease or injury.

Bunker Hill, the battle fought between the United Colonies and the British Crown both sides suffered a total of 341 deaths although the British also suffered a large number of wounded, some 828!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bunker_Hill
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Postby Niner » Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:00 pm

Sorry, Duncan. I apologize for my observation. If importing cemetery dirt is a meaningful symbol of gratitude for and remembrance of the slaughtered British soldiers in WWI who am I to speak a word against it.
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:17 pm

This link http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-one/inside-first-world-war/ takes you to a page on the Daily Telegraph where you can view and download a PDF series about the conflict. It's free.
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Postby Niner » Mon Jan 06, 2014 5:10 pm

That's a good link. Lots of good stories. Interesting points of view in the writing as well.

I read this one story about a British hero who did a lot of heroic things as a private and up through the ranks. It was remarked how he had received a bounty from his home county for being the first to win the Victoria Cross from the town where he came from. Then at the end of the story the writer says this:

I purchased Bent’s gallantry and service medals at a Dix Noonan Webb auction in London in 2000. By then, I had been fascinated by bravery all my life, a passion partly inspired by my late father, Eric, who had served in the Army during the Second World War and had taken part in the D-Day landings of June 6, 1944. My passion for bravery, in turn, led to an interest in gallantry medals in general and the VC in particular. After making some money as an entrepreneur, I bought my first VC in an auction in 1986. Today I own more than 180 VCs and my collection, which includes Bent’s VC, is on display in the gallery bearing my name at the Imperial War Museum, along with VCs and George Crosses (GCs) already in the care of the museum.


Medals for gallantry bought and sold. It's done today by a lot of Americans too. Shows you how little the medals are really worth in balance with the things men did to earn them. At least the guy writing the story loaned his collection to a museum.....in a gallery bearing the lenders name, of course.
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:28 am

He is a very wealtyh man Robert but at least he uses some of his wealth to educate others unlike some people who just squander it on themselves.
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Postby Niner » Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:08 pm

I'm sure he see's no irony in any of what I'm suggesting about how medals are bought and sold or that he donated them in his own name as the new owner. Certainly I can direct you to a site where US medals from an assortment of wars are bought and sold and bragged about as collectibles so that doesn't come as any surprise. Here is an example that includes my own two cents worth at another site because of the bogus knowledge expressed over a fairly common Bronze Star decoration. The whole string is about "worth". I'm sure the collectors contributing to the string all knew about "worth". Back in the day we used to say that with an Army Commendation Medal and a quarter you could buy a cup of coffee. Now days the cup of coffee has gone up in value.... you'd need several quarters. The medal is still the same value.

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ ... citations/

Here is a more involved string at my other site that really says how I feel about medals that one man earned with his death in combat and what happened to his medals afterward.

http://www.6thofthe31st.com/bb/viewtopi ... dals#p8117
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Postby BobB1 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:26 pm

Robert, some medals can be quite valuable. I didn't find out until too late and my children had all finished school. In SC, if you received a purple heart medal, your kids can go to a state college tuition free. I only found out after the fact, and there is no money in the program to reimburse you for tuition paid. It isn't an advertised program. My state house rep was trying to get them to make an exception, but she was voted out of office before she could finish. The new guy was a youngster with no connections or political savvy and couldn't/wouldn't do anything to help. It would have saved a lot of money.
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Postby Niner » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:20 am

Bob.. that's interesting. Hope some Vietnam veterans kids got some benefit out of it in South Carolina. Guess now the new wounded veterans of the recent Muslim wars will get the benefit for their kids in your state. What would happen if a wounded veteran moved to South Carolina? Could his kids get the benefit?

What about the kids of those who were awarded a Purple Heart because they were killed? Anybody tell the mother? What if the mother remarries and the new step father adopts the kids?
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:17 am

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Postby DuncaninFrance » Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:13 pm

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Postby DuncaninFrance » Fri May 02, 2014 11:06 am

Wonder if the tin hats are to protect against shell bursts or pigeon shit :roll: :roll:
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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu May 22, 2014 11:13 am

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:17 pm

Duncan

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