I put a deposit on my first gun show table.

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I put a deposit on my first gun show table.

Postby Niner » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:00 am

I reserved a table at an upcoming gun show. It's the first I'll ever have been to on the reverse side of the table. I'm not nervous about the selling part.... I spent most of my adult life selling things on commission. But I find myself getting a little nervous running over the plan of action in my head.

The reason I'm doing this gun show is that it has come time to reduce the collection. I'm a lot closer to the end of life than when I began my collection and I don't want to leave my family with the shock of having to deal with my collection as it exists now. I intend to keep the best of my collection to the end so it's not like I'm jumping off a cliff with my long fascination with history. However, the problem is figuring out what to ask for what I plan to bring to the show.

What's the reasonable asking price for a Turk Mauser with bayonet?
What's a full rifle size Mosin Nagant worth?
What's a K98 war reparations Mauser with most to all of the Nazi marks scrubbed worth?
What's an Enfield with the wire wrap and accompanied cup grenade holder worth?

The only good thing is I kept track of what I paid for each and it all boils down to selling for more than I paid. I do know I should be able to get at least three times what I paid for some of them I should think.....$50 rifles from 20 years ago. Of course, with a market that has changed as to both desire and availability it is hard to guess what is a fair price.

Any advice?
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Re: I put a deposit on my first gun show table.

Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:23 pm

Obviously can't offer you any guidance on prices but I would say that if I was selling I would have each weapon tagged with it's full details and asking price.
How are you going to be paid if you sell any?
If cash is involved be sure to have some change!

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Re: I put a deposit on my first gun show table.

Postby Niner » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:40 pm

Duncan, I can use any such hints as you suggest. At the moment I know I need to tag each one. No problem in replacing the ones I have on all of my collection now. I still have lots of tags. I know I'll have to have some change and I know to ask round numbers.... no $126.95 sort of prices. I will have to use some plastic lock tags....as per show requirement. I'll need some cable locks for times when I'm not at the table. I got a table cover. There are a dozen small padlocks in the mail...all keyed the same...for the cables.

I'm in a dither over what I want to ask for any of them and what I'll be willing to negotiate them down to if I have a live customer who is ready to buy. Of course, one show is a very limited market and what the market value is reduced down to from probable max selling price by the limited potential customers is an unknown factor. However...if I see someone who really is interested for the historical value and would really appreciate owning a piece my price will go down accordingly. And the object of the exercise is not to get rich but to get rid of some of the surplus.
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Re: I put a deposit on my first gun show table.

Postby joseyclosey » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:31 pm

I'm a bit younger than you Robert but I'm starting to think on down sizing lines too. I'm not much cop at selling so I would say, know your bottom prices and stick with them, there are plenty of chancers out there who'll try and take your trousers down.
Good luck with the table sale.
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Postby deadin » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:48 pm

I was going to spring for a table at the local show next week. (I haven't had a table in years) I only have 4 or five handguns and one rifle I want to sell. When I was quoted $100 for a table, my plans changed....... :shock:
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Re: I put a deposit on my first gun show table.

Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:01 pm

I think that you will find that your knowledge will help you maintain a sensible price because you can talk knowledgeably to the punters.
I also think you would do well to have some on a rack rather than flat on the table..........people can see them from a distance then.
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Re: I put a deposit on my first gun show table.

Postby Niner Delta » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:09 pm

Good luck with your sale, Robert. I obviously have no good ideas for you as I have never
been on the other side of the table.
Just be prepared for some really dumb questions...... people in general are stupid...... :roll:
Be thankful you are not in WA state, all gun sales at gun shows now require a background check.
Damn Seattle liberal Democrat idiots keep passing stupid laws.... :evil:


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Re: I put a deposit on my first gun show table.

Postby Niner » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:14 pm

In Alabama, private owner sales don't require a background check. In Alabama the basic rules are that if you don't have any reason to suspect the buyer isn't allowed to buy a weapon you assume he is. You have to be careful to avoid straw purchases or anything you think may be a straw purchase. You are not allowed to sell to someone from out of state and if in state the buyer has to be at least 18 for a rifle and 21 for a handgun. With a C&R you have to see identification, usually a drivers license, and record all the pertinent information off it in your book. I think I'll take a camera and photograph a purchasers licence next to the firearm and tag.

The table is at a usually well attended show and is costing me $60. I figure that's a low enough figure to give it a try and expect to at least cover the expense. It won't be until the beginning of August so I have some time to mull over the ins and outs of it.
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Re: I put a deposit on my first gun show table.

Postby englishman_ca » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:32 am

I might seem a little flippant, but I think that many gun show vendors figure out the value of something then double it!

It is always easier to haggle to lower than the asking price than it is to haggle it up higher!

Price tags have never stopped me from asking politely as to what would be their rock bottom price and negotiating a deal.

Ask what you want, just be ready to bargain. For some it is all part of the game.

And dont forget to sit behind the table with a sour puss face and your arms folded. That seems to be the common vendor pose these days in Ontario! lol. I enjoy giving them a warm smile and a 'good morning, how's it going?'

Bon chance with your sales. You will probably make it a good day out for a lot of collectors.
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Re: I put a deposit on my first gun show table.

Postby Niner » Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:29 pm

Good advice Englishman. I know you can't go up from the price you offer but only down in any price negotiation. On the other side of the coin you can't appear to be too greedy either. I've passed by a lot of offerings at gun shows that looked to me to be way out of line as an asking price. Saw a couple Indian 2A's at a show not long ago offered for a just under $500 each from two different dealers. I paid $82 for one of mine 18 years ago and although I suspect they are worth double what I paid for them I can't see anybody with all his marbles paying $500 for bolt action Indian Enfield even if it's not .303 but NATO version of the .308.
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Re: I put a deposit on my first gun show table.

Postby Niner » Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:47 pm

I'm gathering some stuff for the event. It's weekend after the one coming.
Plastic cable ties and a tool to tighten them is required. All actions have to be fastened in a way that the firearm can't be operated without removing the tie.
Small padlocks for locking steel cable run through the trigger guards to slow down any thief when not watching the table. All padlocks use the same key.

I've also locked my on open to view rifles at home up somewhat the same way so I'll include a photo. Same kind of idea as this I plan to use overnight one day to the next. It won't prevent a determined thief but it will slow him the hell down and make it less likely that anything will just walk away.

I've been researching what I'll bring and what they seem to have been selling for, although that's a difficult project because the general market anywhere is going to be different from the small one shot gun show. However, I am getting an idea of where to start the argument off at when setting a price.

There are some other things....like a table cover for the merchandise to rest on and another to cover them between show days. I got a order book with duplicate copy to keep information about each sale....if there are any.
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Re: I put a deposit on my first gun show table.

Postby Niner Delta » Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:31 pm

Do you really need to pull the cable ties that tight? Pull them hand tight and use a small
pair of sidecutters/dikes/diagonal cutters to remove them. Take a pair with you as your red
tool doesn't appear to have a cutter built in. Remember that the tighter you pull them, the
harder they are to cut. And forget using a knife..... :shock: ...Just a thought..... :mrgreen:

If it wasn't a couple thousand miles to drive, I would stop by to check out you wares..... :D

Are you required to keep a list of sales, or is just to cover your own ass, which is a wise move... :cool:


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Postby Niner » Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:30 pm

The tool cuts the end off of the tag. I can see the problem will be cutting the tightened plastic band after it is in place. I'll... keep that in mind and only tighten enough to get by the show requirements and maybe bring some toenail clippers or something to break the ties if I need to. Maybe put it through the breech rather than over the handle in case someone wants to look down the barrel to see if he can see any rust. Hadn't really thought about that.

I have to keep track of who I sell one of these C&R guns to as long as I have a C&R collector federal firearms license. I keep a book with a page on each weapon. I list the model, date, who I bought it from, caliber, serial number....and what I paid for it, although the buyer doesn't get to see it and the FED's don't care what I paid for any of them. When I sell one I have to record date, who sold to... including address, DOB, and a drivers license ID number.

I'll have to recruit my wife and son and maybe my brother to get stuff in and out and maybe spell me at the table over two days.

It's an adventure.

I know I'll bring some of the stuff I never shoot that is pretty cheap Charlie stuff ...or was back 15 or 20 years ago. I'm thinking of the ones I might get some more money for with some additional throw ins. Like... a Manlicher long rifle, there aren't many of them because they were mostly turned into carbines, and maybe throwing in some Nazi marked ammo and maybe the original bayonet with the sharp edge on top. Thinking about what I'd ask. That would be a fairly rare bundle.

Another thought is an Enfield MK111 with grenade wrap wire and the grenade cup. Together is worth more than either by themselves.
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Postby Niner Delta » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:09 pm

These work the best, I bet you have a small pair in the garage or tackle box....... :mrgreen:

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Postby Niner » Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:30 am

Yep... got some of those. :bigsmile:
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:35 am

Known in the UK as 'Side Cutters' :cool: :cool:
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Postby Niner Delta » Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:32 pm

As I said in a previous post, have mostly called them side cutters, but also dikes or diagonal cutters.
Some just call them wire cutters, I guess because that's what they are......... :lol:


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Postby Niner » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:14 pm

Getting a little more ready for the coming show. Picked out most of what I'm going to take and ran a cleaning patch through the bores. Dusted them off and locked down the bolts with the plastic ties....as per show requirement. Still have to put on some new hang tags with prices and a few more get ready things.

Made a short video of the bolt lock down.

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Re: I put a deposit on my first gun show table.

Postby ArchFluffy » Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:38 pm

Looks like you are pretty ready.

Nice rifle AND bayonets? That's a great combo!

I hope that you are excited because I sure am. :!: :!: :!:

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Postby Niner Delta » Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:12 pm

Is there some way to do that with the bolt open, what happens when they want to look down the bore?
You will be cutting a lot of them off and replacing them again.....maybe??
Good luck this weekend, expecting a full report later........ :mrgreen:


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Postby Niner » Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:04 am

Those Turks, Arch, used to come complete with bayonet and ammo pouches. Figured I could throw them in as lagniappe or use as a dickering point. Some people may see some added value in the bayonet.

Vern, I got a hundred of those plastic tags and I'll see how it goes with the inspection thing and what other people are actually doing. When I bought the rifles I'll be attempting to sell I bought them from Century or AIM or Springfield Sporters or somebody else and it was through the mail without ever looking down the barrel or even seeing the actual gun I was buying. Only thing I ever sent back was a 1911 pistol that was really crap.
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:46 am

Didn't you buy an endoscope when I was buying one? Mine actually works on my phone so you could have that to hand and show the bore in detail if anyone wants to see it. :cool:
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Postby ArchFluffy » Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:51 am

I bet you'll find some people like me are just happy to see milsurps at a gun show. I'm seeing more and more knives, t-shirts , and beef jerky.

And I like jerky.

Hey, wait. What about one or two of your old cameras? That might work petty well actually ;)

It's going to be an adventure and a learning experience for sure.

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Postby Niner » Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:53 am

The endoscope I have would work from a laptop.....but I'm not bringing it. I used to have a battery operated gizmo that was shaped like a ball point pen and had a clear plastic tube shape on the end that would light up. You put the lighted end into the barrel and looked from the other end. Don't know what happened to it..... but I'd think anybody anal about the barrel condition of rifles 75 to a 100 years old, would bring his own bore light.

While I'm thinking about it, last week I sent an email to the ATF requesting any law change information regarding my 03 and Alabama laws and gun shows. I sent an email to the ATF question line since I couldn't find an address of a local office. Got an email back that I would have to contact my regional office in Nashville. So I sent the Nashville office an email with the same questions. That was last Friday. Today is Thursday. Guess they are busy. No response.

In any case I looked up what I think is all I need to know on my own. There isn't much to know..... but it's important to abide by the rules just to be on the safe side of the law.
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Postby Niner » Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:56 am

You are right Arch, on the assortment of crap at a gun show. I once bought a baseball signed by most of the players of a now long gone minor league baseball team. It was one of my best buys. I used to follow that team and go to many of the games they played here in town.

Good idea on the cameras. Might be able to unload some of the surplus.
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Postby Niner » Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:25 pm

Put some prices on a dozen I'll take. Might add a couple more. Might not...depending on the size of the table.

Added up what I paid for them...some purchased going back to late 1990's, none from recent years, and I got a total for the dozen at just short of $800 in what I paid for them from major dealers like Century, etc. Then I added up the prices I tagged them. My numbers are 15 to 20% lower than what online gun auction sites had them listed for. Of course online asking prices are long term fishing prices to a potentially larger audience.....but they also are actually larger than they seem to be because of shipping and licensed dealer fees that have to added. And....they may never sell, depending on what the actual market is. Yet....my asking prices, when added up, equal to about $3000. Of course that's all wishful thinking until somebody shows some interest in any of them and then the negotiation begins.
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Postby englishman_ca » Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:10 pm

Good prices.

Those would not be on the table for long if they were up here in Canada.
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Postby Niner » Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:14 pm

Thanks, Englishman. I guess I'll find out pretty soon now how it is going to go.
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:16 am

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Postby joseyclosey » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:17 am

I'd take one of those Ishapores, good luck with the sale.

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