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Ma Deuce

Post by Niner Delta » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:11 pm

This may actually work on semi-auto, and a tough scope.............. :cool:
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Post by rice paddy daddy » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:24 pm

Carlos Hathcock actually did that in Vietnam. From one of the firebases over looking the DMZ could be seen an NVA base camp on the other side. An NVA soldier routinely stood guard, out in the open each day, confident he was out of range.
Carlos rigged a scope on a Browning 50, and using semi auto fire killed the soldier. Until a Brit broke the record in Iraq that was the longest kill shot on record.
I forget the fire base, we called them by numbers, A-1, C-2, etc, and the Marines used names - Con Thien, etc.
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Post by Niner » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:55 pm

Are you sure? Anything I read about Carlos Hatcock I automatically take with a grain of salt. So... he shot a NVA guard who was out of range of a "regular" sniper rifle across the "DMZ" by using a 50 cal machine gun with one bullet? So.. considering we were bombing Hanoi every day, what kept a plane from dropping a bomb on the NVA and his base camp? If Hathcock could see the NVA a 4.2 mortar could have taken him out. Probably an 81mm could have done the trick. Any 105 howitzer could have taken him out. Any gunship helicopter could have done it. But .. Carlos, said..."Hey y'all, watch this."
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Re: Ma Deuce

Post by Niner Delta » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:45 pm

rice paddy daddy is mostly correct, just a few details off............ :cool:


Nothing against Hathcock, but once you zeroed the scope for the distance and clamped the M-2 firmly
onto the target, pretty much anyone could push the trigger. Long distance shots from a shoulder fired
weapon are much more impressive, that takes skill, which he had.
Even I'm a pretty good shot with a rifle clamped into a bench mount...................... :lol: :lol:

Although he didn't invent the use of M-2 for sniping, he put it to good use.

"The M2 machine gun has also been used as a long-range sniper rifle, when equipped with a telescopic sight. Soldiers during the Korean War used scoped M2s in the role of a sniper rifle."



"In 1967 Hathcock set the record for the longest sniper kill. He used a M2 .50 Cal Browning machine gun mounting a telescopic sight at a range of 2,500 yd (2,286 m), killing a Vietcong guerrilla. This record was broken in 2002, by Canadian snipers (Rob Furlong and Arron Perry) from the third battalion of Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry during the War in Afghanistan. Hathcock was one of several individuals to utilize the M2 Browning machine gun in the sniping role. This success led to the adoption of the .50 BMG cartridge as a viable sniper round. Sniper rifles have since been designed around and chambered in this caliber since the 1970s. The Canadian Forces snipers also used the .50 BMG round in their record-breaking shots."



Hathcock currently holds 5th place for the longest sniper shot, the first 4 used shoulder fired rifles.

C. Harrison........Nov. '09.............2707 yds.
R. Furlong.........Mar. '02.............2657 yds.
A. Perry............Mar. '02.............2526 yds.
B. Kremer.........Mar. '04.............2515 yds.
C. Hathcock.......Feb. '67.............2500 yds.
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Re: Ma Deuce

Post by DuncaninFrance » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:19 pm

Confirmed by GPS, Craig Harrison (UK) of the UK’s Household Cavalry killed two Taliban insurgents from a distance of 2,474 m/2.47 km (8,120 ft, or 1.54 miles) in November 2009. It took the 8.59 mm rounds almost three seconds to hit their targets, which were 914 m (3,000 ft) beyond the L115A3 sniper rifle’s recommended range. A third shot took out the insurgent’s machine gun. The rifle used was by Accuracy International.
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Re: Ma Deuce

Post by Niner Delta » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:43 pm

Ummmm.......yes, that's what I said.

2474m = 2705.6 yards


Seems that Guinness (Duncan's reference) struggles with their measuring...... :roll:

"2,474 m/2.47 km (8,120 ft, or 1.54 miles)".....
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/wor ... niper-kill

2474m = 8116.7 ft - NOT 8120 ft as Guinness states on their web site.


And that, boys and girls, is why we don't use metrics in the US.................... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: Ma Deuce

Post by Niner » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:35 pm

At 1.54 miles how does a sniper know he is shooting at the enemy and not some civilian?
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Re: Ma Deuce

Post by Niner Delta » Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:06 am

His spotter is his very own FO.
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Re: Ma Deuce

Post by DuncaninFrance » Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:02 am

Correct.........................but remember Vern, your imperial measures are not Imperial they are YI - Yankee Imperial sometimes :lol: :lol:
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Re: Ma Deuce

Post by Niner Delta » Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:12 pm

I am not aware of any Imperial measurements in the US, we use 'United States customary unit' measurements
in the US. Although a lot of metric is used by industry and government, and at one time there was talk of the US
going to metric, luckily it never happened. US military uses metric, like maps........right Robert?.... :D
In fact there is a 50 mile stretch of freeway built in the '80s or '90s between Tucson and Nogales, that has metric
road signs. They thought we would switch, but when we didn't, the state just left the signs as it was too expensive
to replace them all. (cheap bastards)........... :mrgreen:
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