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I don't know what the real answer to crazy mass killers is

Postby Niner » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:56 pm

I think that maybe we should start by not highlighting their names in the news. This would be a good start. Try and convict in a closed courtroom. Don't give their name at all to the press if it is possible. Might discourage the next crazy. Or. .... maybe have them drawn and quartered or burned at the stake at half time of a football game to discourage the next crazy who wants to do another mass shooting. So maybe that's a bit extreme. I take it back. But... saw this ... and thinking about the latest ban guns stuff in the news as a mistaken remedy for a problem that nobody has an answer to. ...it gives me pause to wonder why this is never part of the gun argument in the news.
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Re: I don't know what the real answer to crazy mass killers is

Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:10 am

Guns don't kill people - PEOPLE kill people......................
Yes, I know it has been said many times but it IS true.

So part the gun from the person and what happens. The person who was going to kill with the gun would likely kill with something else - a truck, a car, an ax, a knife, a bow, a bomb,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Seems to me that nuts who use guns in this way are usually identifiable well before they act but no one is prepared to take the responsibility for confronting them and removing their ability to either purchase guns or if they already own guns, removing them. This is an observation that can be leveled at countries other than the US as well. Being an international group we know to our cost that this is true.

Stuff the individual's human right to bear arms in a case where they look to be threatening other peoples human rights.
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Re: I don't know what the real answer to crazy mass killers is

Postby Niner » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:17 am

I think the don't give the name in the news tack would be a good start however the means of killing. It would take away the motive of being infamous. Saw this story on the news this morning in which one "expert" is thinking upon that line.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/0 ... xpert.html
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Re: I don't know what the real answer to crazy mass killers is

Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:48 am

I can just see the press taking a lot of notice of that idea :roll:
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Re: I don't know what the real answer to crazy mass killers is

Postby Niner Delta » Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:36 pm

I live in Washington state, sadly it's run by liberals, and we have some stiff gun laws, and
they are adding more. Already in this state, almost every gun sale, even family, needs a background check,
they wanted to close the "gun show loophole"..... idiots.
Looks like in the next couple of days the legislature will pass a bump stock ban. Probably next
on their agenda is raising the age to 21 to buy a gun, and after that it will be hi-cap magazines.
A pox upon them all.......... :mrgreen:
And with so many guns in this country already, I'm not sure if there is a real answer to crazy killers...... :(


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Postby DuncaninFrance » Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:42 pm

So what do you colonials think about the National Rifle Association facing a backlash as corporate giants drop links with gun lobby group?

Just asking, not taking the piss..............
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Postby Niner Delta » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:23 pm

Well, it certainly is going to be hard on the NRA financially, but not sure how hard.
I have one of the credit cards that is being dropped, although I haven't heard anything
from the card company itself.
So it's like always.... wait and see what happens......


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Postby Niner » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:21 pm

I don't think it will do anything to the NRA except get the rank and file to donate more money to them. Hertz and others not giving any pretend free discounts to members won't discourage anybody from being a NRA member. The biggest hurt will be if anti gun groups get to the politicians ..like Rubio in Florida about taking NRA money and maybe get them worried about the voters that may or may not vote for them next time around because of anti automatic gun hysteria.
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Postby Niner Delta » Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:33 pm

Article in today's paper about the NRA not donating a lot of money to a politicians campaign
directly, but more money to letting members know which ones to vote for. So not looking like
they are actually buying the politician, just getting them elected. And I see Dallas balking at having
the NRA national convention there next year. I'm sure the NRA will suffer some, but it won't put
them out of business. "Like a kidney stone, it too shall pass.".......... :mrgreen:


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Postby Niner » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:08 pm

Delta Airlines....one time bankrupt, but airlines only screw their stock holders and hardly ever go actually out of business....so not really, have been looking for a revival of a tax break on fuel in Georgia where their headquarters is located. But the other day, when they did the feel good politically correct thing and dropped a NRA discount ticket perk, found out they may have stepped on their own dick. Politicians in Georgia find supporting gun rights important to staying in office so what would have been a slam dunk corporate feeding at public expense isn't all that sure any longer.

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/26/del ... tax-break/
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Re: I don't know what the real answer to crazy mass killers is

Postby Aughnanure » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:36 pm

The very best way to stop an armed killer is someone with a gun, as teachers are in the immediate line of fire, are on the spot (in more ways than one), then they should be allowed to carry a pistol for the defence of their students and themselves.

There is not much point in throwing their cell phone at the killer, even though that's its most practical use.

!8 of the States have already legislated to allow teachers to be armed.
Self Defence is not only a Right, it is an Obligation.

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Re: I don't know what the real answer to crazy mass killers is

Postby Niner Delta » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:24 pm

Several companies have cut ties with NRA, but Fed-Ex is sticking with them, haven't heard from UPS... yet.

Locally, the crooks in the WA state legislature have passed a bill on bump stocks, the governor has said he will
sign it today or tomorrow.. it bans the sale starting in July 2018, and sale or possession is a felony starting July 2019.... :shock:
There was talk maybe of some sort of buy-back, but it's just talk so far.
Next up is legislation to raise the age to buy ANY gun to 21. Although I don't really have a problem with these laws,
I just hate to see them passed because once the anti-gunners get one passed, they will keep it up until we have
no rights or guns at all..... except the criminals of course....... :roll:


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Re: I don't know what the real answer to crazy mass killers is

Postby Niner » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:44 pm

The voting age in the US was changed under Nixon to 18 since draftees under the age of 21 were in combat in Vietnam. Maybe if the politicians today would pass an amendment, along with upping the age of gun ownership to 21, that would mandate that nobody can join the military until they are 21. Of course that will never happen. Once someone is in the military often they are trained and given access to weapons more deadly than a semi auto store bought M15 clone and turned loose on all sorts of people in third world countries at the command of the military. Nobody questions this use of 19 and 20 year olds.
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:45 am

Just seen this in the Telegraph......
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Postby Niner » Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:01 pm

In Pensacola Florida an actual PAC has put up a sign too. Guess it will remain under the heading of freedom speech.

https://www.pnj.com/story/news/local/20 ... 388951002/

Going back to that Fedex mention as standing by their NRA support. It couldn't be bolstered by the fact that any pistol purchase deal requiring shipment must go through Fedex now days could it?
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Postby Niner Delta » Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:47 pm

UPS will ship a pistol, but only Next Day Air.
FedEx and UPS are quibbling about each others ties to the NRA....... :roll:

This from CNN on 2/28/2018............

" UPS said in a statement Wednesday that it is not a sponsor of the NRA and that it does not offer a special discount for NRA members.

That comes after its competitor, FedEx — itself fielding criticism from activists for standing by its NRA shipping discount — accused UPS of having a relationship with America's top gun lobby.


"For shipping from its online store, the NRA uses UPS and not FedEx," FedEx said on Tuesday.
UPS maintains that it's a "common carrier," and that if a shipper like the NRA "is engaged in lawful conduct, has an item that is legal to ship, and agrees to the company's terms and conditions regarding the shipment, UPS will transport their shipment from origin to destination."


Both UPS and the U.S. Postal Service are listed as shippers for the NRA online store, which "includes accessories such as ball caps, T-shirts, holsters and hunting and sporting goods merchandise," UPS added.

On Wednesday, FedEx said that UPS provides "discounted shipping rates to the NRA, which uses UPS for shipping."


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Postby Niner » Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:38 am

Looks like the Fedex overnight on pistols is not exclusive to them any longer. :oops: See SOG will ship a pistol by the Post office if requested. The Post Office is getting more and more like UPS and Fedex all the time. Guess not enough junk mail these days. I've been getting Amazon orders by mail that used to come by UPS.
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Postby Niner Delta » Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:07 pm

According to the ATF website, handguns are not mailable.
But what I didn't know was that anyone can mail a long gun to anyone within the same state.....


https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-non ... al-service

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Postby Niner » Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:13 pm

That's what I thought Vern. I thought the over night air was the only way..... and Fedex with the monopoly. But got an advertisement from Southern Ohio Guns. At the bottom of the page link....

http://www.southernohiogun.com/

The Post Office is really changing. I looked out the window today and noticed a US mail truck sticking something in my mailbox.... It's Sunday. Went out to fetch it and it was something my wife ordered online. Maybe the Post Office will step it up a notch and do like UPS and bring the package up to the front door and ring the bell one day.
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Postby Niner Delta » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:53 pm

The ATF doesn't seem to agree with SOG, but USPS seems to say OK to ship C&R handguns between C&R holders
... and other handguns between dealers and makers............

From USPS website.....

"432.23 Manufacturers, Dealers, and Importers

Handguns may also be mailed between licensed manufacturers of firearms, LICENSED DEALERS of firearms,
and licensed importers of firearms in customary trade shipments, or for repairing or replacing parts."

But non-C&R handguns have always had to be shipped to your local dealer anyway, haven't they?

And yes, around here Amazon contracts with USPS for Prime deliveries on Sunday, have gotten several things on Sun.

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