My Drillings...

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My Drillings...

Postby Dalkowski110 » Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:51 pm

Hello all. BoloMK1, a good friend of mine, invited me to post some picture of the two drillings I have (one at home, one on layaway). The first one is the one I already have...a rather run-of-the-mill Teschner-Collath 16 Ga. x 16Ga. x 9.3x72R.

Most Collaths tend to come in bizarre gauges that were designed by Wilhelm Collath himself. However, some Teschner-Collath guns from the 1920's feature 16 Gauge 2 9/16" shotgun chambers, which are perfectly shootable.

Wilhelm Collath, the gun's designer, was one of several of German gun designers in the 1910's trying to take the "underlever is stronger" theory to the max. He pretty much wanted to design a gun that would never loosen. He succeeded...I've never seen a loose Collath...but at the expense of the gun's looks (at least compared to other Drillings and shotguns).

The huge underlever, sliding barrels, huge locking lug, and gas seals (known as "Collath Gaschecks") are all responsible for keeping the gun tight. An interesting safety feature of the time was the large "key safety" on the receiver tang. When the gun is set to fire, you can see the front and rear sights if you align the gun with your eye level. But you can't see the sight picture with the safety engaged. Collath drillings feature double triggers with the forward one a single-set trigger. Collath shotguns almost always have regular double triggers. On the drillings, the rifle/shotgun selector is (quite handily) right next to the triggerguard, not on the upper tang. When the selector is down and level with the triggerguard, you're on shotgun mode. When flipped forward and up, it's in rifle mode.

Wilhelm Collath himself made guns from I believe 1890-1910. In 1911, a firm called Teschner bought out Collath and continued making guns under his name until at least 1930. Teschner kept making guns until WWII.



And this is the same gun, but better photos...

http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20allemand ... e%20gb.htm

Now here's the gun I have on layaway, a September 1924 Waffenfabfrik Simson/Iver Johnson Model 36...

















Notice a few things that might make it a bit more attractive to an American buyer (at least on the surface). The stock has a right-hand bent and no cheekpiece. Unlike your typical Simson drilling made for the German market, this one is also devoid of claw mounts (the German equivalent to the Model 36 had them). The barrels are also a tad longer than one might expect. In Germany, drilling barrels at the time were most commonly 26" (26.5" was also common) in length. The Model 36 was only marketed with 28" barrels. First catalogued in 1925, this gun was (as we can see on the rifle barrel) made in September 1924 and is an early, uncatalogued variant of some kind. I say this because the only rifle caliber offered with the Model 36 in the Iver Johnson Sporting Goods catalogue was .30-30 Winchester. This one, however, has an 8x50R Mannlicher rifle barrel. And then there's the tang slider, which alternates between shotgun mode and rifle mode. Most of the ones I know of for this particular model have the letters "S" and "R" for "shotgun" and "rifle." But this one has the letters "S" and "K," which is typical for German guns and stands for "schussflinte" (shotgun) and "karabiner" (carbine).
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Postby BOLOMK1 » Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:39 am

Welcome,JW!

Thank you for sharing your pics.I thought they might be appreciated by the fellows here.

The Simson is absolutely beautiful!

John
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Welcome JW

Postby Niner » Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:46 am

You obviously have an eye for quality pieces on both counts. That one you have on layaway is beautiful. Thanks for joining us and for the post.

Thanks BoloMK1 too for the encouragement.
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Postby Dalkowski110 » Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:42 pm

I appreciate the compliments! Thanks very much for the warm welcome. I have several other German "guild era" guns, ranging from the extremely modest Hard Hit Heart shotgun (Geha variant) to the beautiful Thieme & Shegelmilch "Nimrod" Gewehr 88 Sporter in 9x57 and will post pictures of them as well a bit later on.
-J.W.



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Just noticed

Postby Niner » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:46 pm

Just noticed you host a forum over at ParallaxBill's Milsurpshooter.net. Hope it catches on.....the forum. I know the site is doing good. I used to be one of his moderators too way back when before I decided to start a site.

Just wondering, who is the baseball player in your ikon? I thought for a moment Stan Musial but thought again probably not.
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Postby Dalkowski110 » Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:10 pm

"Just wondering, who is the baseball player in your ikon? I thought for a moment Stan Musial but thought again probably not."

Stan Musial is probably my favorite all-time St. Louis Cardinal (with Pete Alexander running a close second). However, the player in my icon is Steve Dalkowski, my namesake and boyhood sports idol. He could reach 110 mph with his four-seam fastball (and yes, if you have the kind of pitching mechanics he had plus you had an extended range of motion in your wrist and shoulder, this is possible...while the only moving footage of Steve pitching has never been viewed, he actually recorded a speed of 93.5 mph on a chronograph at Aberdeen Proving Ground. Translated on a modern JUGS radar gun, that's about 103 mph. He'd thrown over 75 pitches before one could be read successfully. No pitcher today has a stride length that long [Tim Lincecum comes close at 129%...he'd be 5'11" 175, about what Steve was, and throws 100...his arm isn't as strong and sinewy and Steve's was, though.], though it is possible.). However, he was so violently wild (in one year, 1960, he struck out 262 and walked 262 in 170 innings) that he never made the Majors. Or at least, he didn't play in them. Although he made the Orioles roster in 1963, he tore his UCL in Spring Training. His velocity went way down, though he was still throwing in the 90's (due to his pitching mechanics) From there, because he only threw a fastball and a slider, his career went downhill pretty fast. Steve was out of pro baseball in late 1965. As you can probably tell, I have a bit of a flair for the obscure. If you're wondering, yes, he had a baseball card. 1963 Topps #496.

Yep, I'm a mod over at Bill's. But I can't limit myself to just one gun forum. :)
-J.W.



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Re: My Drillings...

Postby heers68 » Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:49 pm

Dalkowski110, VERY nice Drillings!! LOVE the German hunting guns! Have to say though that the "s" and "k" on your Simson selector switch stand for "Schrot"(Pellets or shot) and "Kugel" (ball or bullet in this case) thought you would like to know! Good show! Kevin.
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Re: My Drillings...

Postby blackisler » Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:42 pm

A very warm welcome Dalkowski 110
Now that is some seriously nice drillings you got there and Thanks for shareing them with us
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