BIGGER HAND GRIPS FOR MY 1858 - THE PROCESS

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BIGGER HAND GRIPS FOR MY 1858 - THE PROCESS

Postby DuncaninFrance » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:58 pm

OK, I got some ideas, some Oak, some tools and some enthusiasm :lol:

Watch this post for developments :cool: :cool:
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Re: BIGGER HAND GRIPS FOR MY 1858 - THE PROCESS

Postby Dave 101 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:06 pm

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Oak is not a good idea , its hard to work and the grain splits out easily and makes for big splinters . Take a trip to your local dealer and see if he has an old broken stock thats not much good other than a source for a bit of walnut .

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Postby DuncaninFrance » Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:40 pm

Dave 101 wrote:Duncan

Oak is not a good idea , its hard to work and the grain splits out easily and makes for big splinters . Take a trip to your local dealer and see if he has an old broken stock thats not much good other than a source for a bit of walnut .

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Dave...........

We are talking French Oak which is quite tight grained and polishes up very well.
I am going to start with it and see where we get to.

Actually asking for a lump of old stock wood from a gunshop here would normally mean paying through the nose for a bit of firewood - HOWEVER, I will see what I can find. :shock: In this part of the world they are basically Yorkshire Folk with all the generosity kicked out of them :roll: :roll:
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Re: BIGGER HAND GRIPS FOR MY 1858 - THE PROCESS

Postby Dutch Mosin » Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:04 pm

DuncaninFrance wrote:OK, I got some ideas, some Oak, some tools and some enthusiasm :lol:

Watch this post for developments :cool: :cool:


You got my attention Duncan.

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Postby Dave 101 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:11 pm

Best of luck with project then Duncan , look forward to seeing the photos .

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Postby DuncaninFrance » Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:34 pm

OK, here we go then :cool:
First the tools that I have borrowed or stolen to do the job with.

Vertical Sander & Jig Saw

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Power File & Dremel (sort of!)
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Profile Gauge & Digital Calipers. Metric Fixings.

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The Wood!

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First job is already done as the wood is cut to thickness. I now have to cut out stencils, stick them to the wood and mark out the outline of the grips for jig saw cutting out.
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:16 am

Ready to cut out now. Stencils are stuck to the wood with Photo Repositionable mounting spray!

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Postby DuncaninFrance » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:26 pm

I have to go to a gun shop in Bordeaux tomorrow so I am going to see if I can get my hands an old walnut stock :cool: :cool: :cool:
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:04 pm

Wednesday 7th Dec.

This morning I cut out the new hand grip blanks using the fret saw. I tried to keep as close as possible to the templates. I then sanded the edges very carefully to clean them up and check the wood grain. The blanks are oversize but the correct shape and the back of the blanks (which will fit on the frame ) are flat.

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In the afternoon I went to Bordeaux with my pal Alain to collect his Marlin which had been at the gun shop for a warranty repair. While we were there I asked if they had a gash stock that they would give me FOC for the new grips and look what I got! From a Beretta.......................

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It is split where the wood meets the metal but I hope there will be enough wood to cut some new blanks!
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Re: BIGGER HAND GRIPS FOR MY 1858 - THE PROCESS

Postby Dave 101 » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:26 am

Hi Duncan

The project is moving on then , dont forget you will need an infill at the bottom of the grips to take up the thickness of the frame or cut out the inside of the grips so they will end up flush together .

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Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:26 am

Dave 101 wrote:Hi Duncan

The project is moving on then , dont forget you will need an infill at the bottom of the grips to take up the thickness of the frame or cut out the inside of the grips so they will end up flush together .

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I am hoping to make an infill piece that will be glued to one side and will will locate on the other with a small pin guide. I decided that this would be the easier way of finishing the grips but it needs to be done last for a perfect fit.
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:02 pm

I actually managed an afternoon to myself in the shed and have managed to get this far.
I think these will certainly bed down into a reasonable pair of grips - for as first attempt anyway - so it's now time for the fine sanding and fitting to start.
These have both been shaped freehand on the vertical sander with some use of the power file.

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And it still fits in the box :) :)
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Postby Niner » Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:23 pm

That's looking great. You are nearly finished now. Good job.
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:19 pm

Niner wrote:That's looking great. You are nearly finished now. Good job.


I WISH :lol: The more I look the more I see subtle shaping is needed :cool:
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:58 am

Mostly finished now.
Next job is to drill the holes for the retaining screw and fit a brass piece to retain the head. That's a job for a friend of mine.
Once that is done I will size the piece that will fill below the frame and glue it to one of the grips.

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The LH grip is a little larger than the right one. Main reason is that it is comfortable as it is and secondly - they are hand shaped and that's how they turned out!!
I hope to be giving them a final sanding on Monday before they are stained & oiled.
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:57 pm

Almost ready for finishing. Just a bit to clean up here and there...............

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Postby Niner » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:59 pm

Now you are almost there. Those professional grade gun stock refinishing chemicals should have it looking first rate. Looking forard to the photos of the finished project.
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Postby Dutch Mosin » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:19 pm

Fantastic job Duncan.
Wish I had your skills.

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Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:32 pm

The one thing that keeps coming back is what I was taught at school................Always remove the minimum material and do it slowly :roll:
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:34 pm

OK, here is the finished article. I am very pleased the way it turned out. I surprised myself as I didn't think I could do it!
It feels very comfortable but I will only know on Wednesday when I take it to the range.

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This is the MKI and in the future there may well be a MKII in Walnut which will match the gun better!
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Postby Niner » Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:58 pm

That does look good. I am anticipating a glowing report on how well they work when shooting at targets.
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Postby Woftam » Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:04 pm

Very well done Duncan.
I notice you've rounded off the ends rather than squared them like the originals, going to have any effect on grip under recoil do you think ?
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Postby Dave 101 » Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:05 pm

Well done Duncan , they look good , it must be a good sense of achievement for you

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Postby DuncaninFrance » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:11 am

Woftam wrote:Very well done Duncan.
I notice you've rounded off the ends rather than squared them like the originals, going to have any effect on grip under recoil do you think ?


I really don't know G, I will let you know on Thursday! The profile is also thicker than the originals and so the actual grip on the gun seems to be firmer.
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Postby Dutch Mosin » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:04 am

Fantastic job Duncan.
I love to read posts like this one.
Thanks.
Now off to the range.

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Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:25 pm

Shot 36 rounds at the range yesterday and the gun was very stable and much easier to shoot.
The only thing I needed to do was to thin the front edge profiles a bit as the radius of the edge was too severe for comfort.
Targets below. I have just finished re shaping the grips and so will be polishing them over the weekend.

It is obvious that although it is a more comfortable gun to shoot now I still can't hit a barn door with it :loco:
I think I am going to trty and change the fore sight for a pin instead of the blade as I get so much distortion from it.
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Postby DuncaninFrance » Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:11 pm

Well here we are. After removing more wood from both grips, mainly to reduce the radius on the leading edges which were rather uncomfortable after a full cylinder, I have finished them with CCL Gunstock Conditioning Oil and bluing the screw that holds them onto the frame.
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I am more than happy with the final results, even if the fit is not 100% perfect on the back of the frame where it shows a little.
I was not at all convinced I could do the job to a good enough standard but I am pleasantly surprised.
( Next job already scheduled - shorten my Benelli stock by 8mm )
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Postby Dutch Mosin » Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:29 pm

I think you did a great job on those grips Duncan.
They look fantastic to me.
Good shooting too.


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Postby Aughnanure » Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:50 pm

Well done, that man ! :bigsmile:
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Postby Niner » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:10 pm

Looks good. Well done. And if it makes the gun feel better in your hand all the better.


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