"New" Mosin Nagants

[Dutch Mosin]

Been to Germany last weekend with Rene(Dutch Sako)
We had a great time over there.
Weather wasn't that good, but I did bring back two Mosin Nagants.

Just a few quick snap shots.
I still have to clean both of them.
More pictures when I'm ready cleaning.
This could take a while though.
Work is consuming all my time these days.

I brought back 2 Mosin Nagants.
First one is a Finned M91 manufactured by New England Westinghouse.
There's quite some history attached to this one.
Stock is 1905 Tula and has the German "Deutsches Reich" stamp on the right side meaning it was captured by the Germans in WW 1.
After that it was captured or bought by the Finns.
You know them Finns.
They used all spare parts they could find to keep the rifle going.
There are pre and post 1928 Izhevsk stamps, Tula stamps, Sestroretsk stamps and of course the NEW stamp.
I do have to look up the meaning of the "P" stamp in the 2nd picture.
Wish this one could talk.

Some pictures:















Second Mosin Nagant I bought is a Finnish M91/30 manufactured by Tikka in 1944.
I couldn't leave this one behind.
It just looked to good and I didn't have one in my collection.
It doesn't need as much cleaning as the NEW M91, but I will take it apart and document everything I can find.
I do this with all my rifles.

Some pictures:












More pictures when I'm ready.


Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin

[Niner]

Looking good. My first milsurp was a NEW with Finn marks.

You got me wondering what the laws are when buying a gun in Germany and taking it out of the country and into Holland. Any special hoops you have to jump through?

I would suspect you could have shot them on a range in Germany before you brought them home but have to make them " for collection only" in Holland?

[Dutch Mosin]

You got me wondering what the laws are when buying a gun in Germany and taking it out of the country and into Holland. Any special hoops you have to jump through?
Just one plain and simple answer: YES
This is what I have to do before the rifle lands in my gun rack.
When the rifle is for shooting on a range, the gun club has to sign a form first to give their OK.
I don’t need any approval from the Collectors Association to get a rifle on my collector’s license.
After this the form goes to the police together with my license.
If everything is OK, which means if the gun club has signed or the rifle is a Mosin Nagant (theme of my collection), the police will add the rifle to my license.
This means I can now legally own it.
Because the rifle is in Germany I have to fill in an application form to get an import license (consent) from our customs and tax office.
I have to mail this application form together with a copy of my license, a copy of my passport (or any other ID) and a copy of the seller’s license to the customs/tax office.
It takes about 5 working days to receive the import license.
Now I can either get the rifle myself or have it mailed over.
I prefer getting it myself.
After having received the rifle I have to make an appointment with our police so they can check the rifle.
They only check numbers.
The number on the license has to be the same as the number on the rifle.


I would suspect you could have shot them on a range in Germany before you brought them home but have to make them " for collection only" in Holland?
Usually……YES.
This time however…..NO
Reason for this was that the NEW M91 was to dirty to take to the range and the Finn M91/30 had a broken crossbolt.
The former owner thought he could get it out without removing the barrel.
I had to fix this at home.
So…..no shooting this time.
At least not with my Mosin Nagants.
My shooting buddy Rene however had his P17 with him so I fired a few shots with his rifle.
Next to that Chris (AWO 425) drove over to the range (still appreciate it very much Chris) and brought some rifles.
Besides the Lee Speed he brought with him a Mosin Nagant in cal. .22LR.
I fired a few rounds with both rifles but loved the Mosin Nagant best.
What a fantastic looking rifle that was.
Thanks Chris.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin

[Niner]

Wow. Lots of red tape. To go through all that shows you are a dedicated collector for sure. Thanks for sharing the information.

[Niner Delta]

Just put it under the back seat of your car and drive home.


Vern.

[awo425]

Nice NEW!

THe P could also be a kyrillic R, but that is pure specilation.
But the rifles was loaned from the Army to the Civil Guard, have yoiu checked to wich district already?
One of my m/91 ha the double S number too, but can not remember, wich one

Chris

[Dutch Mosin]

Mmmm, a Cyrillic R..........got to dive into that.
Karl-Heinz Wrobel writes that this "P" could be an early stamp meaning the rifle was changed using the "Tubata Method".
Later these rifles were stamped P-26 / P-27.


BTW....I found the civil guard district.
It's Sortavala (142001 - 143340).

Got a question for you Chris.
There's another stamp on the stock of the NEW M91.
Just above the Tula stamp there's an "M".
Could this "M" stand for "Marine" and could this be one of the German captured M91's that went to the German Navy.

Let me know what you think of this.


Of course.......pictures.






Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin

[awo425]

The M could be "Marine" but I doubt the P is of finnish origin, the P-series rifles have scrubbed barrels and ther is no evidence thtat there was something befor the P-26.
I have one scrubbed(no other stamps) and new numbered, but no liner visible.
Not all explanations given in "Drei Linien" are correct, the PR.2 stamp is still unknow, definitely NOTE a signals unit.
BTW, die you think about the PR.2 marked Tikka m/91, I told you about at Hörselgau?

Chris

[Dutch Mosin]

Just put it under the back seat of your car and drive home.


Vern.

Vern,

I'd probably get away with it...............for one or two days.

After that.............no more gun collecting and/or shooting for me.


Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin

[Dutch Mosin]

The M could be "Marine" but I doubt the P is of finnish origin, the P-series rifles have scrubbed barrels and ther is no evidence thtat there was something befor the P-26.
I have one scrubbed(no other stamps) and new numbered, but no liner visible.
Not all explanations given in "Drei Linien" are correct, the PR.2 stamp is still unknow, definitely NOTE a signals unit.
BTW, die you think about the PR.2 marked Tikka m/91, I told you about at Hörselgau?

Chris

Thanks for your reply Chris.
Learning a bit more every single day.
About the PR.2 marked Tikka M91.
I would be interested, but I already spent this years milsurp money.
This has to wait for a couple of months.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin