M/L Newbie
Moderator: Aughnanure
- Dave 101
- Moderator Sponsor 2011,12,13,14
- Posts: 353
- Joined: Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:36 am
- Location: Essex . UK
M/L Newbie
Hi
I have just bought my first muzzle loader its a smooth bore reproduction Remington 1863 percussion musket , due to the laws here in the UK I haven't got a black powder licence yet so I am going to use Pyrodex . Its a .58 cal , a mould and lead balls were supplied with it plus some patches and caps , so Iam all ready to rock and roll .
My question is would I gain more accuracy and range using a Minie ball rather than round ball ?
I have seen a Lee mould for sale on ebay from the US but before I splash the cash I need to know of the benefits in doing so .
Any suggestions would be appreciated
Dave
I have just bought my first muzzle loader its a smooth bore reproduction Remington 1863 percussion musket , due to the laws here in the UK I haven't got a black powder licence yet so I am going to use Pyrodex . Its a .58 cal , a mould and lead balls were supplied with it plus some patches and caps , so Iam all ready to rock and roll .
My question is would I gain more accuracy and range using a Minie ball rather than round ball ?
I have seen a Lee mould for sale on ebay from the US but before I splash the cash I need to know of the benefits in doing so .
Any suggestions would be appreciated
Dave
Re: M/L Newbie
If it is smooth bore you don't need mini. The mini has an expanding rear end that upon firing engages the rifling in the bore. No rifling no point. A round ball with a patch that produces a relatively tight fit is better...and cheaper.
- Dave 101
- Moderator Sponsor 2011,12,13,14
- Posts: 353
- Joined: Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:36 am
- Location: Essex . UK
Re: M/L Newbie
Thanks Niner , just as I suspected .
Dave
Dave
- DuncaninFrance
- Global Moderator Sponsor 2011-2017
- Posts: 10948
- Joined: Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:08 pm
- Location: S.W.France
- Contact:
Re: M/L Newbie
Can't wait for some pis Dave. But be warned - Black Powder is the Devils work and it's addictive!
The secret to working up a load (I think) is to check weigh your balls and 'batch them' so you are shooting consistent weights. That should give you a fairly level playing field for assessing the initial results.
ENJOY YOURSELF!
The secret to working up a load (I think) is to check weigh your balls and 'batch them' so you are shooting consistent weights. That should give you a fairly level playing field for assessing the initial results.
ENJOY YOURSELF!
Duncan
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? -- W.C. Fields
"Many of those who enjoy freedom know little of its price."
You can't fix Stupid, but you can occasionally head it off before it hurts something.
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? -- W.C. Fields
"Many of those who enjoy freedom know little of its price."
You can't fix Stupid, but you can occasionally head it off before it hurts something.
Re: M/L Newbie
Dave...you know that you weigh Black Powder and Pyrodex by volume and not weight I imagine. If you were shooting a rifled gun the spin of the bullet would offset the unbalance of the weight in the ball itself when firing. In a smooth bore you have both the unbalance of the cast ball and the weight of one ball to the next to contend with...... but for what distances you are likely to be shooting I don't see where it will make much difference. The biggest problem encountered with the bullet...in my opinion.... is the thickness of the patch. You want the patch to be thick enough to give noticeable, but not too much, resistance when you start the ball and ram it down. You can shoot with a thin patch or with no patch like you would with a mini...but the ball will just bounce down the bore when fired and the accuracy will be less than ok.
In my 58 Caliber , rifled, 1853 Enfield, I use powder in the 50 to 60 grain load. When shooting targets you will want to test your loads and the goal is generally toward less and less powder rather then more and more. Hunting is a different thing. Ask Blackisler... the UK hunting load requirements are based on velocity rather than mass energy as I understand it from Blackisler. But that's for Blackisler to explain.
In my 58 Caliber , rifled, 1853 Enfield, I use powder in the 50 to 60 grain load. When shooting targets you will want to test your loads and the goal is generally toward less and less powder rather then more and more. Hunting is a different thing. Ask Blackisler... the UK hunting load requirements are based on velocity rather than mass energy as I understand it from Blackisler. But that's for Blackisler to explain.
- DuncaninFrance
- Global Moderator Sponsor 2011-2017
- Posts: 10948
- Joined: Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:08 pm
- Location: S.W.France
- Contact:
Re: M/L Newbie
Dave, I use patches I cut from 4 x 2 and lube it with a mix of Water & Ballistol Oil 6:1 ( once mixed it never separates ) I keep it in a bottle and soak the 4 x 2 in a small dish - it uses very little liquid to wet the material.
I can't advise on Pyrodex as it is banned in France, the French class it as an explosive as opposed to a powder.
I can't advise on Pyrodex as it is banned in France, the French class it as an explosive as opposed to a powder.
Duncan
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? -- W.C. Fields
"Many of those who enjoy freedom know little of its price."
You can't fix Stupid, but you can occasionally head it off before it hurts something.
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? -- W.C. Fields
"Many of those who enjoy freedom know little of its price."
You can't fix Stupid, but you can occasionally head it off before it hurts something.
Re: M/L Newbie
Pyrodex has the same load requirements in volume as BP. The grain size is a little different though. The largest difference between BP and Pyrodex ..to me... is when you use Pyrodex the smoke produced at discharge is less than the "real" black powder. After firing either the cleanup of your gun is the same. Very warm water and dish washing soap is all you need.
- Dave 101
- Moderator Sponsor 2011,12,13,14
- Posts: 353
- Joined: Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:36 am
- Location: Essex . UK
Re: M/L Newbie
Thank you all for the info , this will be for target use only mainly 50 yds , but hoping to give it a go 100 yds in the new year , I will stick with the round ball . Its good to get differing opinions on what you guys use , practical experience is best and well proven .
I will see if I can get some photos in the day light tomorrow .
Dave
I will see if I can get some photos in the day light tomorrow .
Dave
Re: M/L Newbie
100 yds with a smoothbore - I hope you have a big enough target - it takes a lot of work to get a smoothbore on paper consistently at 100...
- Dave 101
- Moderator Sponsor 2011,12,13,14
- Posts: 353
- Joined: Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:36 am
- Location: Essex . UK
Re: M/L Newbie
Probably wont hit a target , but then its a bit of fun trying , hopefully this will be more of a social shoot with all comers trying to shoot something as its the first time our club has had a crack at a 100yd target due to lack of range facilities .belgmart wrote:100 yds with a smoothbore - I hope you have a big enough target - it takes a lot of work to get a smoothbore on paper consistently at 100...
Dave