THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:29 pm

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Back in the US the trains were divided upon color lines.... and no "darkies" in first class, even if they were officers.
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Postby Niner » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:23 pm

....."actuated by a determination to make the world safe for Democracy hereafter".....organized labor in England, makes a pronouncement of their war support. Two out of three voting that way. Wonder what the minority was thinking as an alternative?

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:51 am

In the US there are more pressing problems in New York and elsewhere a hundred years ago today.
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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Mon Jan 01, 2018 12:03 pm

New Years Day 1918. What started off as a blood letting dual of honor over the death of an obscure archduke, by what today we would call a lone wolf terrorist, now has turned into Good versus Evil as the only explanation for the continuing blood bath. There will be no negotiated Peace. There is no negotiating with the devil and all peace talk feelers from the Axis are rebuked with prejudice, even with the revolutionary Russians disentangling Russia from the war.

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby DuncaninFrance » Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:40 pm

What started off as a blood letting dual of honor over the death of an obscure archduke


That is a bit like like saying that D Day was only to put Rommel's nose out of joint........
If you can, watch the first 10 minutes of 'Oh What a Lovely War', it explains it rather well.
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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:17 pm

Oh What a Lovely War review:
Like most people, I know World War I at second or third hand, through such sources as Robert Graves' "Goodbye to All That." The most dramatic point Graves makes is that the war almost literally exterminated the generation that would have ruled Britain in the 1930s and 1940s. Something like 90 per cent of the field officers were killed on some fronts. Joseph Losey's film "King and Country" shows us Tom Courtenay as the lone survivor of his original unit; every other man had been killed, and many of their replacements had died as well. This was apparently fairly common.

And so this tragic event sank into the bones of the British memory. America, which came into the war rather late and sustained much lighter casualties, could afford the luxury of a "lost generation" in the 1920s. England literally lost her generation; it was dead and buried, and we seem to see it beneath the countless crosses stretching out behind John Mills in the last, stunning graveyard shot in "Oh! What a Lovely War."

And yet war films and books have usually not recorded this loss, or the enormity of the stupidity which caused it. Those which have (like "King and Country") have done it in microcosm; we care for the Courtenay character, but we do not reflect on the total war. "Oh! What a Lovely War" does recreate this time, in a bitter mixture of history, satire, detail, panorama and music.


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Postby Niner » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:51 am

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At least there was some potential for some peace talk. But... not a very strong one. Good must conquer evil was the general mantra....rather than negotiate with it. Besides... our side thought it was on the path to victory and would be able to dictate the peace terms pretty soon now.
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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:11 am

The real reason a negotiated peace isn't possible is the total distrust of the Axis and a crusade to force a revolutionary change in the monarchical condition of Germany.

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Postby Niner » Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:43 pm

British war aims according to Lloyd George.

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Postby Niner » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:56 pm

Wilson says me too to Lloyd George with a little different word spin on the "we don't demand the banishment of German Monarchy"...but we really do part. The reparations are soft peddled but obviously without limitation and the colonial possessions are to be forfeited with little mercy ....the ones belonging to Germany, Turkey and Austria that is.

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:04 pm

The general in charge at Ft. Lewis was replaced and the new post commander decided that Seattle wasn't such a din of sin as the man who preceded him thought that he removed the order that Seattle is off limits. However....since the soldiers under his command were forbidden from getting more than 20 miles from base it really didn't matter all that much to them I'd imagine. However....big headline in the newspaper anyway.

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:28 pm

Billy Sunday was the rock star of his day. He could pack the biggest venues of his day with people and..... do it twice a day. His awe inspiring attraction was as an evangelical one man preaching show. All sorts of Protestant churches would even band together to bring him to town to preach his peculiar folksy crusade message complete with moves like a baseball diamond hero that he claimed to have one time been. The people ate it up. In later days another Billy would do the same while clawing tightly onto Presidents like Eisenhower and others in succession. And that Billy's son, following the program, has made a grab at connecting with Trump....although I read that recently politicians in England are trying to ban him from making speaking appearances there over ..something.

Billy Sunday was an attraction that was always front page news and his sermons were reported nearly verbatim to the reading press of large cities all over the US that he appeared in.

If Billy had any political bent it was surely conservative Republican by today's standards even though there was no such concept in those days.

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:04 pm

Army lets soldiers in training actually go to Seattle.

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner Delta » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:50 pm

Still can't believe they were called "Sammies"............crappy name....... :roll:

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:46 am

Wounded German soldiers didn't like the fact that people who had not been in the actual war....many not even soldiers.... were wearing the Iron Cross medal.

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Re: THE FIRST WORLD WAR THREAD.

Postby Niner » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:57 am

US fuel czar has what seems to be a chicken little moment that gets a lot of push back. He wants to close everything East of the Mississippi down for a week and then start back up with Mondays as holidays. This would include stuff like department stores and movie houses as well as manufacturing according to one newspaper's understanding.

The coal shortage during the winter was seen as a supply by train problem and this is what Garfield was trying to correct.

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Wonder what the coal situation would have been if there wasn't the war?

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