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New buy (maybe)

Post by Aughnanure » Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:01 pm

I’ve just contacted the vendor with a request for his best price.
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Re: New buy (maybe)

Post by Aughnanure » Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:08 pm

Aughnanure wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:01 pm I’ve just contacted the vendor with a request for his best price.
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Model 1851 Austrian Tube Lock (Augustin Lock) cavalry pistol.
These were made without a ramrod, which the trooper carried separately (room for trouble🥸) Does anyone know what they looked like as I’d like to make an accurate copy.
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Re: New buy (maybe)

Post by Aughnanure » Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:12 pm

Aughnanure wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:08 pm
Aughnanure wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:01 pm I’ve just contacted the vendor with a request for his best price.
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Model 1851 Austrian Tube Lock (Augustin Lock) cavalry pistol.
These were made without a ramrod, which the trooper carried separately (room for trouble🥸) Does anyone know what they looked like as I’d like to make an accurate copy.
Edit: Something went wrong, however it’s all there.
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Re: New buy (maybe)

Post by Aughnanure » Tue Apr 04, 2023 4:24 am

I have it on hold until Thursday when some finance is due to go into the account.
The tube lock got me in.
I found an Austrian antique gun site but all in German
, so zero help there and Google brings up the one Austrian site and, being helpful the rest are Australian😫
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Re: New buy (maybe)

Post by Niner » Tue Apr 04, 2023 12:30 pm

That's an odd looking lock. Could it have been some sort of reconfiguration from a flintlock?

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I found this site. https://collegehillarsenal.com/austrian ... t-tragring
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Re: New buy (maybe)

Post by Niner » Tue Apr 04, 2023 12:38 pm

Here's another that says that lock had an odd firing method.
The Austrian Kavalleriepistole Model 1851 offered here is in FINE overall condition. The best part about the pistol is that it retains its complete and fully functional Augustin Console “tube” or “pill” lock ignition system. The system used an encapsulated copper primer with two hollow wire leads that extended from either side of the central casing. These leads formed a flash channel that communicated the ignition charge directly to the powder charge. One end was inserted into the flash channel of the pan and the other stuck out of the opposite side of the pan. Closing the pan cover crimped off the lead on the non-ignition side, making sure that all the priming force entered the main flash channel to ignite the primer charge. Once the pan was closed, a firing pin in the top of the pan rested upon the priming “pill” and the fall of the hammer forced the firing pin into the “pill”, igniting it. The expended priming tube was easy to remove from the pan, as the offside lead could be used to grab it and pull it out of the pan. The large majority of the M1851 Pistols on hand in Austria were altered to percussion between 1854 and 1860.
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Re: New buy (maybe)

Post by DuncaninFrance » Tue Apr 04, 2023 1:14 pm

Have asked som mates on the British Militaria Forums if they can help. Will get back to you with any info.........
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Re: New buy (maybe)

Post by Aughnanure » Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:14 pm

Thanks Duncan.
I’’ve never seen a tube lock plstol ‘in the flesh’, did see an English double shotgun years ago in a Sydney gun shop, nobody knew what it was including me.
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Re: New buy (maybe)

Post by Aughnanure » Wed Apr 05, 2023 12:04 am

Niner,
Here’s a link that goes right into it, I found it an hour or so ago.
https://capandball.com/the-story-of-the ... n-system/
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Re: New buy (maybe)

Post by DuncaninFrance » Wed Apr 05, 2023 4:48 am

Here is a link to your question on my BMF which you are welcome to follow Eoin.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/british ... ml#p273013

You might be interested to join after you have had a look, it is an fantastic source of knowledge.........
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