D&C fixing bayonets

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D&C fixing bayonets

Post by Niner » Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:39 pm

Another post shows that at least three of us have Drill and Ceremony manuals from differnt times and different Armies. Here is a page from the D&C US Army manuel dated 1986 which picked up from a flea market for ..I think fifty cents just for the heck of it.

Fixing bayonets is an old line military thing...although not often used in combat these days there may be a ceremonial call for it...or not.

If anybody sees some marked contrast or can offer some insight from the manuels they have relative to this attachment.... it might be interesting.

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JUST READ THIS ONE!

Post by DuncaninFrance » Sat Mar 10, 2007 3:54 am

I am curious to know where he is going to stick the bayonet point if he can't get it off!!!! :roll: :roll:

What does 4-12 tell him to do with it? :mrgreen:
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Post by DuncaninFrance » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:30 am

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Good question Duncan

Post by Niner » Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:45 am

Sorry I didn't think to copy the rest on the next page. :oops:

I added it as an attachment in the orignal post now.
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Post by Niner Delta » Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:49 pm

In basic training they told us that if we stuck the bayonet into the enemy and it stuck in a bone, pull the trigger and the recoil will jerk the rifle out. (I took basic with an M-14)

Quietly I chuckled to myself, there will be no using a bayonet until I am completely out of ammo.

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Post by 1886lebel » Sat Mar 10, 2007 3:00 pm

I will have to dig out the WWI French drill and post it for you all ... i also have the various Civil War drills as well

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FROM 1814

Post by DuncaninFrance » Sat Mar 10, 2007 3:09 pm

This is a reprint of 'Regulations for the exercise of riflemen and light infantry' (and instructions for their conduct in the field).

Introduced by William Fawcet, Adjutant-General, Horse Guards. 1st August 1798.

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Post by Niner Delta » Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:42 pm

Isn't the guy on the cover carrying the rifle called the "Brown Bess"?

I don't know the real name of it.

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Post by Tom-May » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:03 pm

Vern,

The chap on the 'Napoleonic' regs is carrying the 'Baker' Rifle. Based on the German 'Jaeger' (hunting) rifle, it was the first rifle to go into Service in any numbers with the British Army*

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* I'm ignoring the Furguson breech loading rifle which saw limited service as an experimental weapon during the American Revolution.
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Post by Tom-May » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:45 pm

From: "Squad Drill Illustrated" by Capt. G.C.Esson (Harrison & Sons).

One of a number of Great War private publication to supply Officers & NCOs of the new "Kitchener" Bns when the official sources couldn't deal with the demand.

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The following are the instructions from "Infantry Training 1914" (War Office Manual) while the illustrations are from a set of cigarette cards (dated 1915) aimed (again) at the 'K' Bns and New Army voluntiers.

57. To fix bayonets from the order.-

Fix Bayonets-One.

Seize the handle of the bayonet with the left hand, knuckles to the front, thumb and fingers to the rear; at the same time push the muzzle of the rifle sharply forward and turn the head and eyes to the right, the right-hand man looking to the left.

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Fix Bayonets - One

Two.

Taking the time from the right-hand man, draw the bayonet, turning the point upwards and keeping the elbow down. Place the handle on the bayonet standard, with the ring over the stud on the nose-cap (with the Lee-Enfield or Lee-Metford rifle, over the muzzle), pressing it home to the catch. Body and head to he erect.

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Fix Bayonets - Two

Three.

Taking the time from the right-hand man (who will raise his disengaged arm to the full extent and in line with the shoulder), bring the rifle to the order; at the same time cut away the left hand to the side, turning the head and eyes to the front.

Note. - On the word Fix, the right-band man of the unit will take three paces forward, resuming his place in line when the third motion is completed.

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Fix Bayonets - Three

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Fix Bayonets - Right Marker's move

58. Unfixing bayonets.

Unfix Bayonets-One.

Keeping the heels closed, place the rifle between the knees, guard to the front, and grasp the handle of the bayonet with the right hand, knuckles to the front, thumb of left hand on bayonet bolt spring; draw the rifle into the body with the knees, and press the spring. Raise the bayonet about 1 inch, and at the same time turn the head and eyes to the left.

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Unfix Bayonets - One

Two.

Taking the time from the left-hand man, raise the bayonet off the bayonet standard, drop the point to the left side, ring to the rear, and, raising the right band, seize the scab-bard with the left band and guide the bayonet into it.

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Unfix Bayonets - Two

Three.

Taking the time from the left-band man (who will look inwards and raise his right arm), force the bayonet home, and bring the right hand to the band (Lee-Enfield and Lee--Metford rifle, to the lower band).

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Unfix Bayonets - Three (first part)

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Unfix Bayonets - Three (second part)

Four.

Taking the time from the left-hand man, cut away the left band to the side and return to the order, turning the head and eyes to the front.

Note. - On the word Unfix, the left-hand man of the unit will take three paces forward, resuming his place in line when the fourth motion is completed.

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Unfix Bayonets - Left Marker's Move.

And, as a bonus:

66. Fixing bayonets on the march.

Fix-Bayonets.

1. When at the slope seize the rifle with the right hand at the point of balance and bring it to the trail, 'with the muzzle sloping upwards in front of the right breast. Draw and fix the bayonet with the left hand. Bring the rifle to the slope.

2. When at the trail raise the muzzle of the rifle and proceed as above described.

I hope these work.

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