Back from Germany with........

[Dutch Mosin]

.....this.
It's a Mosin Nagant St. Petersburg cavalry school carbine.
Just some pictures I made very quickly.
Better pictures in a couple of days.

Here's some info I found on this carbine.
This carbine has some unique features. For use on horseback it got a sling swivel on the left side of the buttstock. The front band has a swivel on the left side too. Both bands are totally different to the normal bands used on the rifles Mosin-Nagant.
The bands were used to hold and fix a bayonet attached backwards to the muzzle. The same purpose has the permanently attached short metal bayonet scabbard on the right side of the rifle under the rear sight. This rear sight is pretty similar to the one used on the later built carbine Mosin-Nagant m/07. The short bolt handle is slightly bent to make carrying the carbine on horseback easier. The muzzle is stepped to make it possible to attach a bayonet. The rifle is matching on barrel, bolt and magazine.











I'm extremely happy that I found this carbine.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin

[Niner]

That's pretty different. Thanks for the photos. Do you think the bolt handle was just bent as an added step in manufacture or was it cast that way to start with?

[Dutch Mosin]

I can't find much info on this carbine Robert.
All I know (for now) is that they were made out of cut back M91's, Dragoons and Kosak rifles.
I'll check my books and notes and get back asap on this subject.

This afternoon I took apart the rifle for some good cleaning.
Pictures later this week.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin

[Niner]

Maybe it is one of the very rare St. Petersburg Cavalry School model rifles? From what I'm seeing of the standard, although relatively rare, 1907 carbines they seem to have straight bolt handles..maybe you have one of the really rare guns made before the 07.

We had a string on this back in 2006 but the photos were link attachments and have gone with the wind.

But one link to a statement by Karl Heinz Wrobel that is interesting is this one.

http://www.mosinnagant.net/original/Kar ... heinz_.htm

The original string is here...minus the photos for the most part.

http://www.milsurpafterhours.com/bb/vie ... 9489#p9489

[Dutch Mosin]

Well.......that's what I bought, a St. Petersburg Cavalry School carbine.
Thanks for finding the info Robert.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin

[Niner]

You said that to start with.......just a little slow on the uptake at my end. And I wasn't even drinking. The mind is the first thing to go they say.

Seems like there are only something like eleven known to exist....now maybe twelve if your's wasn't one of the ones counted before.

[oldironsights]

WoW!

Martin, that is one rare bird!

[Dutch Mosin]

You said that to start with.......just a little slow on the uptake at my end. And I wasn't even drinking. The mind is the first thing to go they say.

Seems like there are only something like eleven known to exist....now maybe twelve if yours wasn't one of the ones counted before.

No problem Robert.
Just promise me not to drink and post afterwards.

The 11 carbines you are talking about are called "Gendarmerie carbines".
Only 11 of these were designed by Jurlov in 1895 and manufactured in Sestroretsk using Izhevsk M91 Dragoon rifles.

The carbine I bought is a carbine that was used only on the St. Petersburg cavalry school (some sources say).
These were made out of M91 rifles.
Karl-Heinz Wrobel designates these carbines as "Carbine Mosin Nagant M91", other sources refer to them as "St. Petersburg Cavalry School Carbine".
Not much is known about these carbines, so I'll try to get as much info as I can, make some pictures and post it all in here.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin

[joseyclosey]

A very interesting rifle Martin, i will be looking forward to more posts and photos on this one.

Perhaps an E mail to Herr Wrobel would be a idea ?

Joe

[Dutch Mosin]

Thanks Joe, that's a great idea.
Before I send an E-mail to Herr Wrobel I will take pictures and document the carbine (as I do with all my weapons).


Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin