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The senseless mass murder of children and teachers

Post by Niner » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:38 am

It was senseless and tragic. One nut case murdered 28 people....most of them young children. He even killed his own mother. Certainly it was a black day in American domestic history. There will certainly be some push back against gun rights in the US as a residual result. It's anyone's guess what the push back will be and how successful it will be.

Looks like the anti gun paranoid reaction is now all over the world.
"This is America's Dunblane," British CNN host Piers Morgan wrote on Twitter late Friday. "We banned handguns in Britain after that appalling tragedy. What will the U.S. do? Inaction not an option."
In India, Kiran Bedi, a retired pioneering policewoman who is now a major anti-corruption activist, tweeted in the shorthand style familiar to users of text services that: "Firearms in hands of unbalanced r security threat! Gun/even Driving license issue needs due diligence! They r responsibility before a right!"
Some in South Korea, whose government does not allow people to possess guns privately, blamed a lack of gun control in the United States for the high number of deaths in Connecticut. Most people on the Internet expressed utter shock at the scale of the tragedy, many of them calling it frightful and unimaginable and expressing condolences to the families of the victims.
The above gleamed from this link: http://blog.al.com/wire/2012/12/sympath ... er_default

And.. Obama....The man with secret death lists and who kills people with drone bombs all over the middle east and North Africa was in tears.

“We’re going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics,” Mr. Obama said, listing the devastation wrought by other gun violence, from a recent attack in an Oregon shopping mall to the shootings in a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., in July.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/us/po ... .html?_r=0
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Re: The senseless mass murder of children and teachers

Post by DuncaninFrance » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:22 pm

One look at the culprit should tell you there was a problem there.......

Bearing arms is one thing but possession of an assault rifle is questionable in my view.
I see no reason whatsoever for the need for Joe Public to posses such weapons.

Another problem is that there are millions of firearms at large in America and there is no way that they are going to be controlled by anyone...............

I just hope that we don't suffer a backlash in France for the stupidity and selfishness of a few nutters in America.
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Post by Niner » Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:11 pm

"Assault rifle"? So what is an "assault rifle" anyway? Does it make any difference if the "assault rifle" is only semi automatic rather than fully automatic? Does it matter what color it is? Does it matter how many rounds it holds? Who decides where the lines are drawn? Do we do like the UK and turn them into single shot weapons and thus make them "safe" from being used in mass killings, while other "hunting" weapons are allowed to shoot multiple rounds?

And...did the nut job use the "assault rifle" he had in his car to do the killing in the first place?
•Lanza's weapons were listed as two pistols (a Glock and a Sig Sauer) as well as a .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle, but whether that rifle was used in the school or left in the trunk of Lanza's car remained unclear.
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Post by Niner Delta » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:04 pm

Yes, all of America is worried about a backlash in France, it would be a real shame for you
to lose what few gun rights you haven't already given up............. :roll:
It would be as tragic as your 'white flag' factory burning down......... :cool:


"Bearing arms is one thing but possession of an assault rifle is questionable in my view.
I see no reason whatsoever for the need for Joe Public to posses such weapons."


Oh, I see, you can't have them so nobody should have them.
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Re: The senseless mass murder of children and teachers

Post by Aughnanure » Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:26 am

First off the murderer didn't have an assault rifle.
Second, I can fire ten rounds out of a Lee-Enfield before anyone can fire ten out of an M1 Garand.

I firmly believe that some/all school teachers and other school staff should carry concealed pistols.

This lot have the right idea.
Texas school where teachers carry guns prepared to protect students
Posted Friday, Dec. 14, 2012
BY BILL MILLER
wmiller@star-telegram.com

Texas Gov. Rick Perry urged school districts to review their plans to ensure they are prepared to respond to incidents such as the horrific shooting at a Connecticut elementary school Friday.

David Thweatt, superintendent of the tiny Harrold school district in northwest Texas, believes his staff is ready.

Besides special locks and security cameras, an undisclosed number of staff members and teachers carry concealed handguns.

Read more here: http://www.star-tele...y#storylink=cpy
And it should be implemented in Australia, right now, just in case.
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Post by DuncaninFrance » Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:37 am

First off the murderer didn't have an assault rifle.
It was reported in the UK that he had 2 semi auto pistols and an assault rifle. That was by the BBC and by The Daily Telegraph website.............................

This link puts it into some sort of perspective I think http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/de ... -shootings You should never let the facts get in the way of a good news story!
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Re: The senseless mass murder of children and teachers

Post by Niner » Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:48 am

I saw a report last night on tv. A coroner was interviewed. Seems the shooter had two AR15's. One he left in the car and the other he carried, along with two automatic pistols, to do the evil. One of the AR's accounted for much of the death.

But be that as it may....
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Post by Niner » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:09 pm

Take heart gun control fans..... Joe Biden is now on the case. Assault weapons and gun show loopholes are going to catch hell.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... force.html
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Post by PeterN2 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:33 pm

I don't think any new legislation passed in the USA will have any affect on the potential for this awful event being repeated. The school shooting in Dunlane in Scotland in 1996 in which 16 five and six year old children were killed was carried out with a 9mm Browning pistol. The murderer switched to a .357 Magnum revolver to blow his own brains out. To own his guns legally, he had to pass scrutiny by the Police and be a member of a gun club. He was a known suspect individual and the local licensing officer requested that his licence be not renewed. He was over-ruled by the Police Chief and his licence was renewed with tragic results. The end result was that as he had carried out his crime with a legally held pistol, no-one should be able to have a legally held pistol and so we all had our pistols and revolvers taken away from us and destroyed. The reasoning behind the Police Chief renewing his licence will not be known as a block has been put on the information relating to the case being released for 100 years. The reason given for sealing up the information is that some children the perpetrator was in contact with could be identified. He was also known by a senior Scottish politician at the time but his involvement will not be known due to the cover up.
No new legislation passed in the USA will ever as onerous as that in the UK and that did not prevent the tragedy of Dunblane. The politicians may get a ban on 'assault rifles' but it will do nothing to prevent another such crime. You do not need a multi-shot semi-auto rifle to shoot people inside a room. A pistol as used at Dunblane or a pump or semi-auto shotgun would be just as deadly. The only result is that the law abiding are punished and the politicians can say that they 'did something' even though it is useless.
The three semi-auto rifles I would like to own are the Bitish L1A1 SLR, M1 Garand and M1 Carbine. I don't know if these are 'assault rifles' or not, but they are banned here due to a mass shooting in 1987 by another murderer who passed all the scrutiny and went on to commit mass murder.
I offer my condolences to the people of Newtown and the USA.

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Post by Niner » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:20 pm

Perspective is a bitch. Lots of draw on your heart strings production for the children lost in tragedy being acted out on US TV news. Other children that are ..... Muslim.... in third world countries.... are just "bug splat". We ....As Americans ...... seem to think our children are real and other peoples children are not.

Peace on Earth to men of good will.....yeah.... humbug as far as Moslims are concrned. All Muslims are just rag heads ...not people to our mindset.

There is this radical American, who lives in South America that I read regularly and I find I agree with him more times than not. And I wished I didn't because I wonder sometimes if I might be getting to be as radical as he is.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ren-deaths
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