Muzzle loader.....

[Dutch Mosin]

Duncan,

I decided to start looking for a Pedersoli percussion pistol.
These replicas need a license over here and that means I have to sell one of my other fire arms on my shooters license.
I will sell my M91/30 to make room for the Pedersoli pistol.
Been to Germany a week ago and talked to a gun dealer I know.
I told him about buying a Pedersoli pistol and that I had to sell my Mosin Nagant M91/30.
I'd love to buy a Kentucky percussion model in .45 or a Le Page percussion model in .44.
He said that he might have a very good used Pedersoli pistol for me and that he was willing to trade the M91/30 for it.
I had to be patient though, because it could take a couple of months.
I told him that I'm not in a hurry and that these coming months would give me the opportunity to gather as much info on muzzle loading as possible.
It would also give me some extra time to save some money to buy the necessary accessories.

The powder I'd like to use in this pistol is Pyrodex P.
Please let me know if anyone has some experience with this powder in these pistols.

So...........all I can do now is wait, save money and buy accesories.
All info and tips are more then welcome.

I'll keep you all posted.


Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin

[DuncaninFrance]

Of the 2 you mention Martin try and get a Le Page, it is a beautiful pistol and extremely accurate. My pal Alain has one and it is great to shoot.



He also has a Mang which is equally impressive.



I can't comment on Pyrodex because it is not legal here, he uses Noble VECTAN P.N.de Chasse (FFG ) which gives good results in both.

[Dutch Mosin]

Thanks for your reply Duncan.
I appreciate it.
You are right, both pistols are beautiful.
I have to be patient and wait what the dealer comes up with.

I didn't know Pyrodex was illegal in France.
Can you tell me why?

I hope I can find some load data with this powder.
No need to hurry though.
Got plenty of time.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin

[Niner]

I've got a Le Page made by Armi Sport from Dixie. Present advertised price is $525. The Pedersoli version lists for $795 and is more deluxe. I also have a Traditions Trapper model. It is a lot like the Kentucky pistol but with a set trigger and a little better grip.

The Le Page has a set trigger that I have yet to be able to adjust to get it off a hair trigger. Although it shoots fine.... it's not my favorite bp gun. The Traditions trapper, although heavy, and a lot cheaper, shoots dead on target with no trouble. And it handles ff, fff, Pyrodex, whatever you got with equal results.

I've always shot Pyrodex in my pistols. It works just like black powder by volume and doesn't create nearly the smoke. And...I can find it in one pound jars without any problem. BP has to be ordered in my part of the world, and you have to buy a lot of it to justify the hazmat and shipping fees. However, if you get a flint model instead of a percussion, the Pyrodex doesn't prime the pan well at all and you will have some misfires because of lack of ignition.

I'll include Sam Fadala's load data for the .45 caliber Le Page. And like Sam says in the text, 30 grains of powder is the top side of it and I usually use around 24 grains for good results at pistol range targets.

[Dutch Mosin]

Robert,

That is a fine set of pistols.
I like the Le Page a lot, but the looks of the Traditions Trapper are FANTASTIC.
I'm getting more and more exited about these pistols.
Thanks for the load data.
I appreciate it.
It's good to read that Pyrodex P works just fine in these pistols.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin

[DuncaninFrance]

Pyrodex is illegal in France because it isn't a powder but 'lumps' ( I think ) and that is classed as an explosive not a powder......................

Armi Sport are now owned by Pedersoli and I believe there will be some rationalization and improvements coming very soon.

[Niner]

Lumps? What lumps?

[Dutch Mosin]

Duncan, do you mean the Pyrodex pellets, because Pyrodex P and Pyrodex RS are powders IMHO.
I've used Pyrodex P in my Swiss Vetterli too, with great results.



Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin

[DuncaninFrance]

That's probably the answer, anyway, you can't get it here

[Dutch Mosin]

OK......an update on my muzzle loader project.
An original isn't going to work.
They are just too expensive.
Here's what I did so far.
I talked to a German gun dealer that I know very well.
He will check the German market for a used Pedersoli percussion pistol and rifle.
That's right pistol AND rifle.
The more info I collected about these muzzle loaders the more exited I got.
I decided to sell my Mosin Nagant M91/30 to make place for a Pedersoli percussion pistol.
To make place for a percussion rifle I will ask the police for permission to move my Polish WZ 48 .22 trainer to my collectors license.

Here are some pictures of what I'd like to buy.

Kentucky percussion pistol in cal .45



Kentucky percussion rifle in cal .45


I like the long rifles a lot.

Besides the Kentucky rifle I like the looks of the Alamo rifle too.

Alamo percussion rifle in cal .45


I have to wait what the German dealer has to offer though.
He knows what I like to buy so let's just wait what he comes up with.

I will keep you all posted.


Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin