Muzzle loader.....

[DuncaninFrance]

Martin, don't buy any patches. I have 300 sitting here doing nothing so you can have those to start with.

Posted them today.

[Dutch Mosin]

Duncan, thank you very much.
I really appreciate it.
I made a list of things to buy.
I can take the patches of the list now.

Always willing to return the favour Duncan.
Just let me know.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin

[DuncaninFrance]

My pleasure.............
If you let us have a glance at the list you never know what others might have OR you may have listed things that you don't need.

[Dutch Mosin]

I love the idea Duncan, but..........I found this in the site rules:

No overt sell or trade posts of any kind are permitted unless specifically allowed in advance by an administrator.

Let's wait for an administrators opinion on this subject.
Don't want to make anyone angry

Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin

[Niner]

That rule doesn't prohibit a forum member mentioning something they need nor any other member asking if he can help in some way or supply the need. No permission is needed. The rule was inserted so that we not get into commercial sales or private party open sales without at least some special circumstance allowing it. It also prohibits "group buys" since there was a problem with one years ago when the guy offering it went south and I don't know if everybody who paid into it got their money back or not.

The idea is not to end up with a "he did me wrong" forum or get into commercial transactions that can go sour and reflect on the site.

I think it's great that Duncan is offering some help getting Martin into BP shooting and like seeing that members of this forum will help each other when they can. And there is no objection to Martin listing what he is short of in getting his new shooting experience going. And there is no problem with anybody offering assistance in this case.....or any like it that come up.

[DuncaninFrance]

Thanks for the clarification Robert, much appreciated
Now then young Martin me lad, lets see that list

[Dutch Mosin]

Thanks Robert.
Alright then Duncan, here’s young Martin’s list of “things to buy to get started”.
I know there are many accessories, but to get started I only need the basic items, not “the nice to have” ones.
Also let me know if I have forgotten something (besides the rifle/pistol ).


1) Bullet starter
2) Nipple wrench (universal)
3) Ramrod with guide(universal)
4) Loading funnel for pistol
5) Loading funnel for rifle
6) Cleaning jag
7) Bullet puller
8) Patch puller

To load the powder (powder measure) I want to buy a plastic box with 20 or 30 glass tubes.
Our gun law says I have to buy these.
I’ve never seen them on US sites and I don’t know the exact name for it in English, but here’s a link to a German auction site.

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3510886


I already have the powder (Pyrodex P), patches and some pistol loading data.
Still looking for some rifle loading data for a cal .45 rifle.
I could also use some advise on cleaning and preservation techniques.

Also advise on what not to buy is much appreciated.

Thanks for asking Duncan.



Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin

[Niner]

One thing you have to keep in mind about BP is that the loads are written by volume. Pyrodex, other substitutes and BP do not weigh the same but are equal in volume. So you load by standard volume measures and not weight unless you know for certain that the weight you choose relates to the suggested volume for the kind of powder you are using. Duncan likes to weigh his loads...not me.

What I have for my rifles is a standard measure...with a funnel on the end that swivels into place when loading. There is a simple rod that pulls out the end of a brass tube that indicates the space it makes by numbers engraved on it. It shows 10 grain increments. You pull it out to what you want to measure...say 60 grains..and turn a screw that tightens on the rod at the correct mark. You load the powder into it from a flask then dump the load down the barrel of your rifle and then proceed with patched ball, etc.

For the pistol a measure that is smaller and with more increments is needed to do the same procedure with accuracy beyond full 10, 20,30 grain loads. However, if you know you will be shooting at say, 27 grains, you can buy a spout for a flask that is in itself a measure. It screws into any common powder flask. (I've got several different sizes) You just put your index finger over the lip of the spout, invert the flask, flip the catch that opens the flask long enough to fill the spout. After the catch is released it captures the powder and will remain in the spout when you bring the flask upright. Then you load the same measure you would use for your rifle with the powder and then push over the attached funnel end and load the pistol....or you skip that and just load your glass tubes. I load my revolvers directly from the flask also, although this isn't the recommended thing to do from a safety stand point....and I don't suggest anybody else do this at all because of the slight potential of a residual spark in the gun from a previous firing.

One thing you could do with your glass tubes is, once you have determined what a correct load is, you could mark the tubes in some way and just reload the tubes up to the known mark.

The nipple wrench for your .45 cal rifle and pistols will be the same. If you go to a musket one day, you will most likely need a larger nipple wrench because they use a musket cap that is larger in size, otherwise save your money.

[Niner]

I'll attach a suggested load for a 45 cal flinter I dug out of Sam Fadala's loading manuel. This is for a particular gun and obviously not the one you will get and it's a flinter as well. Percusion rifles seem to have higher load limits by a little bit. All new reproductions should come with a manufacturers suggested load data. I post this only for a general overview of what a particular 45 cal load looks like. Your particular gun will have its own suggested load data.

Keep in mind that the higher the load the more potential for danger...and substantially lighter loads than maximum are the ones to use in target shooting out to 100 yards or so anyway. I usually shoot 50 to 60 grain loads in my 50 cal rifles. I shoot a 60 grain load in my .58 caliber rifle.

[Dutch Mosin]

Robert,

I like the powder measure and flask like the ones in your picture a lot, but our gun law forbids the use of it.
We have to use glass or anti static plastic bottles filled with one load.
We can use as many bottles as we want, just not all the black powder in a container (flask).

BP matches over here are held at 50 meter ranges.
I guess that means I can use less powder then you do at 100 meters.

I'm familiar with BP, just not with muzzle loaders.
I use Pyrodex P in my Dutch Beaumont and Swiss Vetterli with very good results.
I hope that I can use it very soon in my very own muzzle loader.
I have to be a bit patient though.
Might take a couple of months.

Thanks Robert.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin