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Webley used in multiple homicides
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:29 pm
by oldcuffler
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:43 pm
by dromia
Real shame about the victims and their bereaved, he sounds like an identified nutter but they got there too late.
Wonder what bullets he was using to make the forensics be so different as to be commentable on, or is that just media spin looking to make something more from a murder story.
Hollow-base and sharp ogive...
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:21 pm
by krinko
If he was using Fiocchi or even some of the nice WW2 Kynoch, the bullet would be weird enough to start the coroner talking. There is no other bullet like that in use in the States today.
-----krinko
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:10 pm
by oldcuffler
The media reports don't mention if the revolver was converted to .45ACP but it must have been since the report says that the bullets were "hollow points". I suppose it is possible though that the killer was using .455 cartridges reloaded with hollow points.
I've reloaded .455 with lead 45 cal semi-wadcutters for my Webley MkVI. (Same bullets I've used for .45 Auto Rim reloads.)
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:48 pm
by Tom-May
Perhaps the imprint on the bullet, from the rifling, is somewhat distinctive compared to 'modern' handguns of comparable calibre*, especially given the possible wear through age (just a guess).
Tom
* Twist, No. of grooves, depth/profile of same, degree of wear etc.
Murderer's Webley
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:00 pm
by oldcuffler
Tom-May wrote:Perhaps the imprint on the bullet, from the rifling, is somewhat distinctive compared to 'modern' handguns of comparable calibre*, especially given the possible wear through age (just a guess).
Tom
* Twist, No. of grooves, depth/profile of same, degree of wear etc.
The arresting officers recovered the revolver when they arrested the killer. It was identified as a 1918 Webley VI but the news report didn't specify if it was still .455 or had been converted to fire .45acp. One color photograph I've seen of the revolver would indicate that the revolver had its original barrel length and appeared to be in very good condition.
Where does it say "hollow points" in the linked re
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:17 pm
by krinko
"Lt. Paul Feist said officers began noticing obvious characteristics from the bullets at all three crime scenes as early as Friday.
"There were some similarities that really stood out,'' Feist said. "It's something you don't see every day in bullets."
If they were seeing this type fired round, I could understand the paragraphs above. If it was just an American .45 ACP bullet or a generic lead .454, they don't make sense.
-----krinko
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:43 am
by Aughnanure
Maybe the wide grooves and narrow lands plus the hollow base?
Eoin.
Re: Where does it say "hollow points" in the linke
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:04 am
by oldcuffler
krinko wrote:"Lt. Paul Feist said officers began noticing obvious characteristics from the bullets at all three crime scenes as early as Friday.
"There were some similarities that really stood out,'' Feist said. "It's something you don't see every day in bullets."
If they were seeing this type fired round, I could understand the paragraphs above. If it was just an American .45 ACP bullet or a generic lead .454, they don't make sense.
-----krinko
Go to this link for reference to hollow point bullets:
http://www.abqtrib.com/albq/nw_local/ar ... 42,00.html[/url]
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:28 pm
by sunray
The rifling would be very different from American made .45's of any flavour.