best place to by from?
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best place to by from?
wheres a ggod place to get a good shape Mosin? i just cam into about 100 rounds of 7.62R surplus ammo and i need a gun to shoot it lol.
You are in luck
Lots of them out there right now. Try the 91/30 from AIM which is only 69.95. Just one possible choice.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Rifles.html
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Rifles.html
Century arms
I always go with Century Arms. You can order 3000 rds of ammo and 4 rifles and only pay the $12.50 handling fee for all of it. The other companies charge you for the actual shipping which can be pricey to say the least.
Those monthly sales at Century Arms are hard to beat. This month has two Nazi Mausers with cracked stocks for $250.
Those monthly sales at Century Arms are hard to beat. This month has two Nazi Mausers with cracked stocks for $250.
RGRWJB,
Most native Germans find the reference to something like equipment or items as being -NAZI- somewhat offensive and incorrect terminology. It can not be possible to have a National Socialist rifle as that was a political party. It is possible to have German fabricated rifle however. This is a small thing but I find this term used often at many websites and it is not proper to use. It would be similar I assume to refer to an American rifle as a -DEMOCRATIC- rifle or a -REPUBLICAN- tank. On your suggestion of buying a rifle I can agree that the freinds that shoot these rifles I know buy them and they will commonly have a brand from the Century company. I have also shot some very nice rifles from a company in New Jersey that is called Interordnance that seem to be of high quality.
Most native Germans find the reference to something like equipment or items as being -NAZI- somewhat offensive and incorrect terminology. It can not be possible to have a National Socialist rifle as that was a political party. It is possible to have German fabricated rifle however. This is a small thing but I find this term used often at many websites and it is not proper to use. It would be similar I assume to refer to an American rifle as a -DEMOCRATIC- rifle or a -REPUBLICAN- tank. On your suggestion of buying a rifle I can agree that the freinds that shoot these rifles I know buy them and they will commonly have a brand from the Century company. I have also shot some very nice rifles from a company in New Jersey that is called Interordnance that seem to be of high quality.
Nazi Rifles
Yuri
You make some interesting points sir.
But the rifles that Century Arms are selling have the emblems of the Nazi party all over them. You don’t see that with U.S. rifles or British rifles. To say they are not Nazi rifles is denial of what they are and pure signs of the shame the German people feel over what occurred there in the 40s. I spent time in Germany while with the Rangers and understand the shame the Germans have over the Nazi party’s action. My German girlfriends dad was very articulate about the "feelings" of the German people during my stay in Germany.
But anyway, the point was they are very good deals and not offend those who have feeling over the names given to rifles. I received my two today and none of them had cracks and have great bores. $125 a rifle was well spent on what ever name you want to use for them.
You make some interesting points sir.
But the rifles that Century Arms are selling have the emblems of the Nazi party all over them. You don’t see that with U.S. rifles or British rifles. To say they are not Nazi rifles is denial of what they are and pure signs of the shame the German people feel over what occurred there in the 40s. I spent time in Germany while with the Rangers and understand the shame the Germans have over the Nazi party’s action. My German girlfriends dad was very articulate about the "feelings" of the German people during my stay in Germany.
But anyway, the point was they are very good deals and not offend those who have feeling over the names given to rifles. I received my two today and none of them had cracks and have great bores. $125 a rifle was well spent on what ever name you want to use for them.
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If a Russian Mosin Nagant was mfg. prior to 1917 and escaped Soviet rework, it's an "Imperial" Mosin.Yuri wrote:RGRWJB,
Most native Germans find the reference to something like equipment or items as being -NAZI- somewhat offensive and incorrect terminology. It can not be possible to have a National Socialist rifle as that was a political party.
Post '17 rifles are "Soviet".
I don't see how referring to a rifle as a political party - one that's marked with that party's emblem - is being inacurate or demeaning.
No different than referring to a "Weimar" Mauser . . .
Rifles of the World breaks China's firearms into 3 seperate catagories: Empire, Republic & PRC.
Tombstone ArmsTombstone Arms wrote:Yuri wrote:RGRWJB,
Most native Germans find the reference to something like equipment or items as being -NAZI- somewhat offensive and incorrect terminology. It can not be possible to have a National Socialist rifle as that was a political party.
If a Russian Mosin Nagant was mfg. prior to 1917 and escaped Soviet rework, it's an "Imperial" Mosin.
Post '17 rifles are "Soviet".
I don't see how referring to a rifle as a political party - one that's marked with that party's emblem - is being inacurate or demeaning.
No different than referring to a "Weimar" Mauser . . .
Rifles of the World breaks China's firearms into 3 seperate catagories: Empire, Republic & PRC.
I think, Yuri is absolutely correct. I for instance am one of the guys finding the "Nazi"-label incorrect and in some cases even insulting.
You are confusing several things:
It was the "Russian Empire" prior to 1918 (hence "Imperial"), from 1918 it was the Soviet Union (hence "Soviet"), there was the "Weimarer Republik" (hence "Weimar"), just the same with China.
You cannot compare this with the "Nazi"-label:
The name for Germany in that (horrible!) time frame was "Deutsches Reich". Even "3. Reich" is not totally correct, because it was a name the nazis tried to give to Germany. BUT Germany was NEVER named "Nazi-Reich" or something like this.
"Nazi-Germany" is a swearword/abusive word, given to Germany by the British in and after WW2 and therefore the "designation" "Nazi-pistol" uses a swearword/abusive word also. All brands on such a pistol are brands of the German Reich (plus the manufacturers marks), not of the Nazi-party (except some on weapons used by the party itself).
I was born after WW2, I dislike nearly everything the Nazis did, and despite of this I myself was labelled a "Nazi" also, just because of beeing a German, in Great Britain for instance. I have to confess that I felt insulted.
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I suspect that the film makers and authors of the world can be called to account as much as anyone for the use of the word Nazi to describe Germany and anything German from that period. However, I assume that there were Party Members (National Socialists or Nazis) and non-party members - Germans.
The crux of the matter may lie in the use of the Swastika which was originally a religious symbol I think and was first used by the German National Socialist Party as their emblem. The incorporation of this emblem into the flags and other military and civilian images coupled with the pledging of allegiance by the armed forces - NOT to the "Deutsches Reich" but to Adolph Hitler personally would seem to explain the use of Nazi to label 'Things' from that era.
If refers to a time that should not be forgotten by anyone - just as the the atrocities of Stalin should be remembered and many other inhuman acts by the thugs of the world on innocent people.
Duncan
The crux of the matter may lie in the use of the Swastika which was originally a religious symbol I think and was first used by the German National Socialist Party as their emblem. The incorporation of this emblem into the flags and other military and civilian images coupled with the pledging of allegiance by the armed forces - NOT to the "Deutsches Reich" but to Adolph Hitler personally would seem to explain the use of Nazi to label 'Things' from that era.
If refers to a time that should not be forgotten by anyone - just as the the atrocities of Stalin should be remembered and many other inhuman acts by the thugs of the world on innocent people.
Duncan
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What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? -- W.C. Fields
"Many of those who enjoy freedom know little of its price."
You can't fix Stupid, but you can occasionally head it off before it hurts something.
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Yuri
I was in the small town of Dahn, Germany with a platoon of soldiers from the West German Army for about 4 months. They were West German Paratroopers and were very friendly guys. When you eat and parachute, patrol with these guys you get to know them pretty well. Oh course like most people, a few of them acted as if they had a stick up their butt. But even after a while when we got to know those few, they came around too. The U.S. Army Rangers are a great group of guys to have fun with.
We stayed in what used to be an old Polish Labor camp (I hope that doesn't hurt anyone’s feelings), which was fixed up for military troops to stay in during Reforger Exercises. I was there for Reforger 1977.... or was it 78?
Anyhow it was a long time ago.
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Karl
As far as the label goes for a name of this rifle, that has nothing to do with you. You have stated here "it was a name the Nazis tried to give to Germany." Well it sounds like it may have stuck, at least with the EQUIPMENT it made. This was most likely because the swastika and eagle are on almost all of their equipment.
Another item that poisons the well of sensitivity here is the "Nazi" party that is still in Germany, with their skinheads. At least that is what they call themselves. The "Nazi" party in the U.S. also calls themselves that too. So sometimes people sometimes confuse the two. Are they are political party or just a bunch of thugs.... my vote is thugs.
I do not think anyone here talking about rifles has been insensitive. In fact the whole thread appears to have went astray somehow as I recall us talking about rifles. But what the heck.... this place is for the exchange of ideas...or mosins?
I was in the small town of Dahn, Germany with a platoon of soldiers from the West German Army for about 4 months. They were West German Paratroopers and were very friendly guys. When you eat and parachute, patrol with these guys you get to know them pretty well. Oh course like most people, a few of them acted as if they had a stick up their butt. But even after a while when we got to know those few, they came around too. The U.S. Army Rangers are a great group of guys to have fun with.
We stayed in what used to be an old Polish Labor camp (I hope that doesn't hurt anyone’s feelings), which was fixed up for military troops to stay in during Reforger Exercises. I was there for Reforger 1977.... or was it 78?
Anyhow it was a long time ago.
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Karl
As far as the label goes for a name of this rifle, that has nothing to do with you. You have stated here "it was a name the Nazis tried to give to Germany." Well it sounds like it may have stuck, at least with the EQUIPMENT it made. This was most likely because the swastika and eagle are on almost all of their equipment.
Another item that poisons the well of sensitivity here is the "Nazi" party that is still in Germany, with their skinheads. At least that is what they call themselves. The "Nazi" party in the U.S. also calls themselves that too. So sometimes people sometimes confuse the two. Are they are political party or just a bunch of thugs.... my vote is thugs.
I do not think anyone here talking about rifles has been insensitive. In fact the whole thread appears to have went astray somehow as I recall us talking about rifles. But what the heck.... this place is for the exchange of ideas...or mosins?