The Sporterize issue

[Niner]

I won't be drawing lines between what is allowed or not on this question. I tend to be on the keep them the way they are side and do not encourage anyone to do any major sporterization. However, in keeping with the spirit of this site, post what you will on the subject. Be aware that reaction may be strong to any major changes suggested to collectible firearms. Everyone who remains civil on any side of this issue can post and have his post remain unmolested no matter what his opinion is on this question of sporterization.

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[Steyr M]

I'm not for sporterization, myself.


That said, I own several milsurps that ARE 'butcherised',not by me, mainly 'cause I wanted the actions, etc.


I've a 1899 Schmidt-Rubin re-chambered to .30-30 w. the upper wood removed, A Krag in .65x55 with wood missing, a Mosin I was given with wood gone, etc.





I've a question I've asked on other forums regarding the Mosin:


It seems rather accurate, but strings horizontally, usually a sign of bedding problems.


Do the Mosins need forearm pressure? As the Enfields seem to? Or would I be better relieving the channel to 'free float' the barrel ?


I plan on trying shims first, but as our range is undegoing the spring thaw, and what isn't snow is mud, it'll be a while yet before I get there.


Just thought someone may know.


Robert

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[oklahomaman]

I put a taller front sight on my 11mm Mauser! I couldn't help myself. I can live with a gun that shoots a foot high at 100yds but this one was shooting 18" high at 50!





I live in shame, but I also have a rifle that shoots a 400gr., .446" bullet at 1500fps to the point of aim!





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[TERRY8mm]

STEYR M,





Shims are a period correct adjustment, it was practiced by many armorers.





Several of my "long" Mosin Nagants shoot better with a piece of oiled felt wrapped around the barrel just forward of the front sling slot, this is another period correct armorer's "trick".





I take a piece of felt 1/2" wide x 8" long and wrap around the barrel in a spiral, vary the amount of overlap on the wraps to vary the barrel to wood pressure. Then just oil the felt with gun oil. You may have to vary the postion a little.

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[stan741]

In regard to forearm pressure or free floating.I took a Mosin M44 that had a wrecked stock and removed the upper handguard.I cut the badly cracked lower forearm back about 10 inches to where I had good wood.Then I relieved wood from the channel to free float the barrel all the way to the receiver.Now this old Hungarian with little blue but a good bore and crown is one of the best shooters I have.So free floating does work.





Stan

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[Steyr M]

Thanks,guys.


Guess I'll shim first, then,if no joy, I'll relieve.(can't put wood back, after all)


Hopefully only a couple more weeks 'till everything dries up at the range.

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[dcarson]

How did the project wind up Steyr. I personally would have bedded the reciever and free floated the barrel if you were looking for accuracy. I am curious what you did and how it wound up.

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[speared um]

I just got a sporterized Argie M91 rifle that's a parts gun. The crest is ground off and the bore is dark. I got it because it was not origional, and I'm thinking of returning to big game hunting. Unfortinetly, my old 55 yr eye are not up to stalking mt. goat, mule deer and rams, so I want to mount a scope and handload 7.65X53 rounds.





What do you think, as I don't want to ruin an origional mil surp?





thanx Dante'


long live can't be half preganet Buryl ;)

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[m1 talker]

Dante- You say you got a sporterized rifle and you want to scope it. Just how extensive is the sporterization on it? I think it would depend of whether or not the rifle could be restored to original configuration. If it would take a new stock, original sights, straightening a bent bolt handle, and the like, then I would consider it OK to do what you contemplate doing to it. Another thing to consider is the rarity of the rifle. If it is really rare, I would try to restore it. If there is no real history behind the rifle and they are common on the market, no problem.


I have often thought about buying a bubba'd 1917 Enfield and restoring it, but all that I have seen have had the rear sight protector "ears" ground off, and that ruins any prospect of an original restoration for me. I have heard of others rewelding the ears, but to me, that is just not right.


Heck, with your C&R license on the way, you might want to take a look at some of the more common milsurps out there, like the M-48's and such. Besides, ammo for them is a lot cheaper than you are ever going to find for the Argie.


Curt

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[speared um]

The stock has been cut, it's crown ground, no butt plate, dark bore, but the sights are still in place. I did not think they're any origional stocks to be had, as many of these rifles were sporterized.


Do you think it could be restoried with an origional stock?





Dante'


long live lock stock and Buryl ;)

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