Cleaning up..............

[Dutch Mosin]

Thanks Martin, i love the shot of the 4 Mags, if you don`t mind i will use that as my desktop?

No, of course I don't mind Joe.
In fact I used the one in front(with the spare barrel) that day on the range.

Excuse me for taking your thread off topic BTW.

No problem at all.

It's these things that keep bringing me back here.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin

[GrantRCanada]

Getting back to the holster image - both No. 3 and No. 4 are Canadian holsters for the High Power pistol ... or at least Canadian patterns.

No. 3 is a Pattern 1951 holster.

If No. 4 was originally tan/khaki webbing that has been blancoed green inside and out, then it is of WWII vintage ... i.e. a Canadian "Type F" or "No. 2" holster, as seen in these images....

(Click to enlarge ...)

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/th_Inglis7aa.jpg[/pic] http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/th_inglis7cc.jpg[/pic]

On the other hand, if No. 4 appears to have been made of green webbing to start with (as No. 3 clearly was) then it would seem to be a "green clone", so to speak, of the Canadian pattern .... (The British came out with a green webbing holster of this 'double flap' pattern in the 1950's or '60's, but it was not made of very stiff webbing like the Canadian Type F and your No. 4 - it was of a much looser/floppier construction ...)

For a brilliantly researched and presented online illustrated article on 20th Century Canadian Military handguns and holsters (.... ....) go here:

http://www.canadiansoldiers.com/weapons/pistols.htm

As noted in the article, the Browning High Power pistol, built by the John Inglis Co. of Toronto in 1944 and 1945, is still Canada's primary-issue military handgun .... but presently-issued holsters are significantly different, being either open-top or flapped drop-leg designs, as worn by these Canadian personnel in Afghanistan:

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/th_afingl16.jpg[/pic] http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military/th_female10.jpg[/pic] http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military/th_female09.jpg[/pic]

Mind you, judging from the many pictures I've seen of Canadian soldiers over there, the most popular carry method for the pistol seems to be in one of the chest pouches of the tactical vest ...

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/th_afingl18.jpg[/pic] http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/th_afingl14.jpg[/pic]

[GrantRCanada]

While on this topic, as I'm sure Dutch Mosin already knows, the reason two Canadian-pattern holsters would end up in his collection, following apparent service there, is that The Netherlands Army was almost entirely re-armed and re-equipped after WWII by Canada. I love this picture (scanned from Clive Law's 'Inglis Diamond: The Canadian High Power Pistol'). Although one's initial impression might be that it shows WWII Canadian troops, in fact it is post-war Dutch infantrymen engaged in a house-clearing exercise! Note the Inglis pistol in the lead man's hand (along with the No. 36 grenade, sten gun and No. 4 rifle - the latter two most likely being Long Branch production ...)

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/ ... tharmy.gif[/pic]

[Dutch Mosin]

Grant, thank you very much for this very informative post.

Great pictures too.

For your information, the No. 4 holster is made of the very stiff kind of webbing.

Both holsters are blancoed.

I don't know if the original color was khaki or not.

Can't find a date anywhere.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin

[GrantRCanada]

Here are some images of an un-issued Canadian No. 2 holster. These holsters were made by only one manufacturer - Zephyr Loom & Textile Ltd. (maker mark : "ZL&T LTD") and this holster is typical of the late-war (1945 dated) production which is fairly commonly found in un-issued condition. The reason for that is related to the "TPL" stamp which is visible - that signifies that the holster has been treated with a fungicide for tropical issue. Apparently these holsters were stockpiled for the anticipated continuation of the war in the Pacific Theater ... which was expected to drag on for another year or more after the capitulation of Germany ... and would have done, but for a little "secret weapon" we've all heard about ....

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/CDN%20Pistols%20and%20Holsters/th_hlstrNo1_front.jpg[/pic] http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/CDN%20Pistols%20and%20Holsters/th_hlstrNo1_back.jpg[/pic] http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/CDN%20Pistols%20and%20Holsters/th_hlstrNo1_open_a.jpg[/pic] http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/CDN%20Pistols%20and%20Holsters/th_hlstrNo1_open_b.jpg[/pic]

I believe the fourth holster in your images is this type, blancoed green inside and out.

Canada manufactured some post-war variations of this holster - in both white and green webbing of the same quite stiff sort, and also in at least two versions made of black leather for Military Police use. Here is such a "No.2Mk2" holster in white webbing - note that one difference is that the closure tab is shorter, both at the top "pull tab" and on the lower end that goes through the metal loop, and it lacks the hardened upper tip. The green webbing version would have been similar, which is the main reason I think your holster is the earlier, wartime version ....

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/CDN%20Pistols%20and%20Holsters/th_hlstrNo2Mk2_white.jpg[/pic]

This is the second type of the black leather Military Police variant ....

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/CDN%20Pistols%20and%20Holsters/th_hlstrNo2Mk2_blackleather_Type2_fron.jpg[/pic] http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/CDN%20Pistols%20and%20Holsters/th_hlstrNo2Mk2_blackleather_Type2_back.jpg[/pic]

Here is the much "floppier" British variant I mentioned - their Pattern 1958 holster ....

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/CDN%20Pistols%20and%20Holsters/th_hlstrBrit_P1958_front.jpg[/pic] http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/CDN%20Pistols%20and%20Holsters/th_hlstrBrit_P1958_back.jpg[/pic] http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/CDN%20Pistols%20and%20Holsters/th_hlstrBrit_P1958_open.jpg[/pic]

Canadian Pattern 1951 holster ...

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/CDN%20Pistols%20and%20Holsters/th_hlstrP1951_front.jpg[/pic] http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/CDN%20Pistols%20and%20Holsters/th_hlstrP1951_back.jpg[/pic] http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/CDN%20Pistols%20and%20Holsters/th_hlstrP1951_open.jpg[/pic]

As you might surmise, the "No. 2 holster" was for the "No. 2 pistol' - i.e. the second Inglis variant with the much simpler fixed rear sight and lacking the gripframe slot for attachment of a shoulder stock. The designation "No. 1 holster" was reserved for the holsters intended for the "No. 1 pistol" - i.e. the version produced for China with the tangent-adjustable long-range rear sight and shoulder-stock slot. The wooden holster/shoulder stock was designated as the "No. 1 Mk I" holster, and a webbing design produced to specifications provided by the Chinese was the "No. 1 Mk II" holster. Top, a reproduction"No. 1 Mk I" holster; bottom, a "No. 1 Mk II" ....

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/CDN%20Pistols%20and%20Holsters/th_HiPowerStockJan2007a.jpg[/pic] http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/CDN%20Pistols%20and%20Holsters/th_HiPowerStockJan2007b.jpg[/pic]

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/CDN%20Pistols%20and%20Holsters/th_hlstrC1MkII_front.jpg[/pic] http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/CDN%20Pistols%20and%20Holsters/th_hlstrC1MkII_back.jpg[/pic] http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Canadian%20military%20firearms/CDN%20Pistols%20and%20Holsters/th_hlstrC1MkII_open.jpg[/pic]

Many of the "Chinese Pattern" web holsters saw service with the Canadian forces, but none of the wooden holster/stock version to my knowledge ...

[GrantRCanada]

Dutch Mosin:

It is very interesting to see that the Netherlands/Canada connection remains so strong after all these years! As you've already indicated, most of the small arms you have mentioned and pictured are Canadian - as signified by the "C" prefix in the designations ... which are the same as used by the Canadian military!

Canadian Forces C7A1 Assault rifle -

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/ ... tRifle.jpg[/pic]

C.F. C8 Assault Carbine -

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/ ... arbine.jpg[/pic]

C.F. C9A1 Light Machine Gun -

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/ ... 9A1LMG.jpg[/pic]

C.F. C6 General Purpose Machine gun -

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/ ... C6GPMG.jpg[/pic]

http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/lf/English/2_5.asp?cat=2

Diemaco Inc.was a private-sector corporation which took over primary responsibility for maintenace of all Canadian Forces small arms, and ongoing development, when the Canadian Government closed the Small Arms Division of Canadian Arsenals Ltd. (a Crown Corporation) in 1976. It was acquired by Colt Defence LLC in 2006, and now operates as Colt Canada ....

http://www.coltcanada.com/