FOUND THIS IN A B&B WE WERE STAYING IN...............

Post by **DuncaninFrance** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:06 pm

....last week.

Anything anyone can tell me about it please - it is NOT rifled!

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Sorry that the pics are not 100% but the lighting was very poor and I had to use flash.

dromia · Post by **dromia** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:10 pm

Snider Mk 111, they were manufactured Sniders not converted Enfiled Rifles.

The mark 111 numerals are on the shoe and the barrel looks original being designated "steel" the Enfield rifle barrels were iron. Is it a long or short rifle, three or two bands?

If it is smoothbore then it has been reamed out at some point, however from its condition if it was cleaned there may be some rifling in the barrel, what does the barrel look like? The rifling on these weapons is quiet shallow to avoid fouling build up.

Looks like standard broad arrow and military markings but I haven't looked them up yet.

.577 shot cartridges were made for the Snider.

Post by **DuncaninFrance** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:26 pm

It is a 3 band

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I had a good look at the bore and it appears as smooth as the proverbial baby's dumb!

Any idea of a value?

joseyclosey · Post by **joseyclosey** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:29 am

Nice find Duncan, did you buy it?

Joe

Post by **DuncaninFrance** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:15 pm

I wish Joe - not for sale when I asked

dromia · Post by **dromia** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:34 pm

To me it looks a bit rough but could clean up, it was probably reamed out to fit in with the French gun laws, something about military calibre rifles at one point. But who really knows who, when or why it was done.

For all I know it could be some extremely rare smoothbore version but from what I know it was carbines that were smoothbored mainly for police, convict civil guard and gaol use

From the pictures I'd offer £150-£200 maximum, you'll get a nice rifled M111 in BP shootable condition for £550.

Post by **DuncaninFrance** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:22 pm

Thanks Adam.

....it was probably reamed out to fit in with the French gun laws, something about military calibre rifles at one point. But who really knows who, when or why it was done.

I know and I will tell you in another post when I have a minute or two

dromia · Post by **dromia** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:46 pm

Here's three of my Sniders:

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Left - Artillery carbine.

Middle - MK 111 short Rifle

Right - MK 1* Long Rifle

Photography courtesy of J Close.

45nut · Post by **45nut** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:49 am

Nice collection there Adam!

dromia · Post by **dromia** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:37 pm

Thanks Ken.