SOG has .303 Martini Enfields....A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ADDED

Brass Rat · Post by **Brass Rat** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:42 am

They are showing both rifles and carbines on their website.

According to SOG these receivers are dated up to 1930. That was well into the SMLE era.

Why would these have been produced that late in the game, unless perhaps, they weren't actually British made?

This was also well into the Mk7 production, would these be safe with modern ammo?

Aughnanure · Post by **Aughnanure** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:41 pm

As always depending on condition, but I have used Martini-Enfelds that were set up for MxVII ammo with no problems . It's a very strong action and 'tis said that it will stand more pressure than a No 1.I'd make sure however that they are British made.

Eoin.

krinko · Post by **krinko** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:24 pm

"Why would these have been produced that late in the game, unless perhaps, they weren't actually British made?"

No "perhaps" about it, they certainly weren't British made.

Judging by the "warehouse found" rhetoric showing up in the internet auctions and the surprising number of these auctions themselves, there must be a bunch of Mystery Martinis trailing in on the coattails of the IMA/Nepal cache.

I have seen a few of them---and quite a few recently---that carry imitation Victoria Regina cyphers mixed with production dates into the 1920s.

Others are marked so fancifully, they can't really be read at all. Inaccurate and/or illiterate markings are the hallmark of the Khyber Pass home workshops.

All in all, those I am familiar with look "wrong" in the shape of the receiver and various parts and pieces. I can't say for sure they are Khyber Pass handmade whatzits, but they sure do look like they are.

-----krinko

Brian the Brit · Post by **Brian the Brit** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:38 am

Have a look at this link:

http://p223.ezboard.com/fbritishmilitar ... 1658.topic

Brian

Tom-May · Post by **Tom-May** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:23 pm

I'm sure I've seen pictures of rifles with a Martini action, but with the fore end and muzzle cap of an SMLE (don't ask me the context, please)..

I mentioned this to a mate who suggested that I'd been imbibing too much 'loopy juice'.

Can someone either confirm that I was right or that I shouldn't drink and read.

Regards

Tom

PeterN2 · Post by **PeterN2** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:41 pm

i remember seeing a picture of that on the internet somewhere but it was something someone had put together as a joke. I wish I had saved the picture now.

Regards

Peter

coggansfield · Post by **coggansfield** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:53 pm

20 Oct. 2005

11:55pm

Maybe the SMLE-nosecapped Martini-Enfield was another of SOG's Kyber Pass specials!

Seriously, though, SOG's pseudo Martinis have been showing up a lot recently on Gunbroker.com. Steer well clear. These are not all they seem! As Kyber Passes go, they look quite nice, but don't let anyone tell you they are the real thing.

Coggansfield

Viclav · Post by **Viclav** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:30 pm

The Martini with the SMLE front is a creation of some of the guys over at British Militaria Forums. It was one solution to Martinis with shot-out bores. The barrel threads for the SMLE and the Martini are apparently a match, but the actions on 577/450's have to be modified. They refer fondly to this hybrid as the "Platypus."

Victor

"Always carry a firearm east of Aldgate, Watson."

SOG has .303 Martini Enfields....A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ADDED

SOG has .303 Martini Enfields....A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ADDED

..and there you have it.

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