T53 in Holland

entropy · Post by **entropy** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:09 am

Good job cleaning it up, really looks nice!

joseyclosey · Post by **joseyclosey** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 2:52 pm

Martin, I like to keep my rifles as original as possible too, good work with the T53, let us know how she shoots.

Joe

Dutch Mosin · Post by **Dutch Mosin** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:18 pm

Thanks for your reply Joe.

I will not be able to take the T53 to the range.

This carbine is on my collectors license and we are not allowed to shoot with weapons that are on this license.

Too bad, but these are the rules over here and if I don't obbey them I will loose both my collectors license and my shooters license.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin

sam281 · Post by **sam281** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 5:01 am

Very Nice Work!!!

TaosBob101 · Post by **TaosBob101** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:34 pm

Looks like a early one by the arsenal number.

Post by **Niner** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:25 pm

And a good citizen who will obey the laws of your country. Maybe one day the law will change.

Post by **Niner** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:52 pm

I was trying to duplicate this post in this forum and hit the wrong key and the whole originating post was lost.

I feel really bad about this.

I won't do that again... I hope. The reason I tried to put it here is that in the US it would be considered strange that someone, particularly a Sgt. Major in the Army, is not allowed to shoot a bolt action rifle that was designed over a hundred years ago.

joseyclosey · Post by **joseyclosey** » Mon May 01, 2006 5:58 am

Dutch Mosin wrote:Thanks for your reply Joe.
I will not be able to take the T53 to the range.
This carbine is on my collectors license and we are not allowed to shoot with weapons that are on this license.
Too bad, but these are the rules over here and if I don't obbey them I will loose both my collectors license and my shooters license.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin

We can obtain a collectors licence here too Martin also on the same condition of not shooting the firearms. It is not a particularly easy licence to acquire though, you must be able to prove a serious interest in the study and history of the arms involved.

I agree with you, it is always best to abide with the rules and regulations of your licence, although as Niner said it does seem odd that as a serving soldier you are not allowed to shoot your rifles even briefly, as surely this is also a another aspect of the study of the firearm involved.

Regards, Joe

Dutch Mosin · Post by **Dutch Mosin** » Mon May 01, 2006 12:26 pm

Thanks Joe, I'm glad you think the same way about this subject.

About "not being allowed to shoot with the weapons on my collectors license" the following:

Until August 2005 it was allowed for collectors to shoot with their weapons, but only for study purposes.

From that moment on this is forbidden.

It is also not allowed to own or buy the ammo that goes with the weapons on your collector’s license.

Dutch gun law (in a nutshell) says this about the subject.

If you want to collect weapons that are licensed, apply for a collector’s license and just collect weapons.

You don't need the ammo that goes with it.

If you want to shoot, apply for a shooters license, buy up to 5 firearms max and own the ammo that goes with your weapons.

If you want to collect ammo, apply for an ammunition collector’s license and just collect ammo.

This sounds very easy and in a way it is.

It just takes a lot of time, paperwork and dedication to get the necessary licenses.

Take, for example, the firearms collectors license.

It can take up to 2 years from the time you apply until the actual receiving of the license.

In those 2 years you have to prove to a comity that you are a serious collector and well known as someone with knowledge on the subject of your collection.

If you can't do that.....NO LICENSE

At this moment there is a waiting list and it even takes about 2 years before you can apply.

You have to understand that getting a collectors license is very exceptional over here.

There are only about 130 collectors in the Netherlands that own one.

Of course there are many more people that collect weapons, but these are weapons that don't need a license, for example BP rifles.

These collectors are also NOT allowed to shoot these rifles.

If they want to shoot with these rifles they have to apply for a shooters license.

Not the weapons, but the BP ammo will appear on the shooters license.

Since ammo is not a weapon, it is allowed to have more than 5 different types of BP ammo on such a license.

Please remember, this is just the essence of the gun law.
I spared you all the details and exceptions.

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask them, but allow me some time to look up the answers.

Our gun law is not only very strict, but very detailed as well.

Some say too strict and to detailed, others say just plain clear without room for slipping through the gun law net.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin

joseyclosey · Post by **joseyclosey** » Mon May 01, 2006 2:04 pm

Sounds like your licenceing system is even more convoluted than the British system Martin, reading your post makes me worried when i hear about European Parliament wanting to "harmonise" the European gun laws.

Joe

T53 in Holland

Martin I know you are a good soldier

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The essence of Dutch gunlaw