Hellooooo I'm Back, hopefully, and a Martini International.

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Hellooooo I'm Back, hopefully, and a Martini International.

Post by dromia » Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:46 pm

As some of you may have noticed my presence and contribution to the forum and the site in general has been a bit thin over the past few months.

Apologies for this but there was some family issues of a medical nature that had been trundling on for the best part of this year, but this is now resolved positively.

Also on the work front a project that I've been designing over the past few years is now being rolled out nationally so that has meant a lot of traveling for me as well.

Just as I thought I was seeing light at the end of the tunnel my mate Jim, Jumper man, had some medical problems just before the Trafalgar so that put the kybosh on that, thankfully Jim is recovering and is having a bit of a smallbore plink.

Hopefully I'll be able to get some more posts up for you now because I've still managed to get some shooting in and buy the odd rifle or two.

As some of you will recall I have a passion for miniature rifles and have been building up a collection for the HARC winter leagues.

One of my purchases has been a BSA Martini International MK 111 which is eligible for the post veteran class.

The Martini Internationals were the final refinement of the BSA miniature Martini rifles that began with the .310" cadet.

The BSA Internationals were based on a Martini falling block stock design by Al Freeland of Rock Island Illinois America who developed the the rifle as the Freeland Super Rifle and the Freeland Free Rifle in the late 1940's

BSA developed and sold 5 Marks of the international between 1950 and 1981.

The Mark 111s, pictured below, were unique in that it was the only mark to have a freefloating barrel.

These rifles were the pinnacle of small bore accuracy in the latter half of the 20th Century and were the ubiquitous club gun untill the Anschutz system came into fashion.

A few years ago dealers couldn't give these rifles away and some clubs I know of handed their martini stable into the police to be melted down.

They are now seeing a resurgence of interest with the increasing popularity in the UK of smallbore benchrest shooting. This is undoubtably a reflection of an aging shooting population whose weary bodies and tierd eyes cannot cope any more with prone shooting and aperture sights.

On one hand its nice to see the classic rifles being appreciated again however it sorely grieves me when these lovely stocks are cut into with hacksaws and plastered with epoxy and fibreglass to get a benchrest shape.

When the day comes for me to being reduced to only be able to shoot bench rest then I'll have my stocks made up from scratch and put the originals away so that when they are rediscovered by future generations as the classic small bore prone target rifle they are, they will be able to enjoy them as the were originally made.

This particular RH example comes fully boxed with its sights in their own custom made wooden case, the foresight tube is of particular interest as they were originally designed to accompany the rear tube sight that was developed by Al Freeland and made in this country by Andrew Tucker.

I have an interesting rear tube sight for these martini's but that is another post.

Anyway here's the pictures:

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/ ... K11111.jpg[/pic]

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/ ... K11112.jpg[/pic]

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/ ... MK1119.jpg[/pic]

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/ ... K11121.jpg[/pic]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/ ... K11119.jpg[/pic]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/ ... K11118.jpg[/pic]

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BSA 12/15

Post by PeterN2 » Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:02 pm

I was talking to a chap in a dealers last week who told me that he had recently visited a club who were selling off their old club rifles that were mostly Martini internationals. Tucked in among them was a BSA 12/15 that had been bought new with the Internationals. All the club members had used the Internationals so the 12/15 had never been used. It was still brand new. It had a tag on it saying '£30 to a good home'. So he bought it as I would have done. Our club sold off its martini club rifles for £10 each just over 20 years ago when they went over to just pistol shooting.

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Post by dromia » Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:28 pm

The 12/15 is a good rifle Peter, I shoot mine in the Veteran class.

I'm looking for a left handed MK 1, 11, or 111 at the moment so if you come across one for sale let me know.

I thought I'd got a nice LH MK V a month or so ago, I paid the dealer for it but told him it would take me a few weeks to get my ticket sorted out.

When the slot came through I arranged to collect the rifle only to find out he'd sold it to another and put it on their ticket, I'd still got the sights for it.!!

Of course I got my money back but what is it with the British gun trade they are just shite, no other retail sector would get away with the way they behave, they seem to be all cheats and liars (with one or two notable exceptions). Maybe its a requirement of getting an RFD.

Post to follow on the 12/15.
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Post by blackisler » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:23 pm

Adam You sure know how to turn a man green with envy :mrgreen: That aside that is one real fine rifle , Take real good care of it .

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Post by belgmart » Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:05 pm

Adam,

Take a look at my patent site - Al Freeland didn't have much to do with the mechanics of the Int'l series

http://users.pandora.be/Gert.Claes1/page22.html

These rifles are nice indeed - I have a MKV, unaltered, which used to be my scoped BR rifle, with a Weaver 36x scope. The darn thing will shoot cloverleafs when I do my bit: the target below is 50 consecutive shots of Lapua Midas:

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Post by dromia » Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:58 pm

Hi Gert,

How you doing mate?

I didn't make the Trafalgar either this year I feel bereft.

Is that Midas L or M your using?

Yep as I said in the post Freeland's contribution was to the stock design not the mechanical side, he obviously recognised the good reciever, mechanism and barrel quality of the BSA Martini and hung on that some contemporary competitive woodwork.

Hi Robert,

the rifles for sale if your interested :lol:

I'm shooting regular 97s and the odd possible with it deliberate but its a real handicap for me on the rapid/skirmisher detail being a right handed rifle. I've got to source a left hander.
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Post by Aughnanure » Sat Nov 19, 2005 11:57 pm

A dam, Nice rifle!!

I have to get one. :!: :!:

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Trafalgar and .22's

Post by belgmart » Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:40 am

Adam,

Believe me, I know how you feel. I would have preferred to be there too, making white smoke (no, nothing to do with the papal election, I can assure you!), but it was not to be...

The Lapua used was M ( couldn't find any L, so...) - and I was basically experimenting with tuner settings (the hand-written digits) - I put a Time Precision barrel tuner on the thing. The MkV is the heaviest of the lot, and both it and the Mk IV have the forearms indeed attached to the barrel. Apparently, the Mk III experiment didn't turn out as it should, although I have been told that most of the problems were due to the mating of an alloy hanger to the steel receiver - a good knock could put in some wobble in the system, that plus the tuning fork effect. At any rate, the desired result was not reached (less sensitivity to variations in sling tension), so the concept was abandoned in the next versions.

Mind you, I never preceived the forearm-to-barrel attachment as bad for accuracy... just don't tell my rifles!
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Post by stripperclip » Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:18 pm

that is a nice rifle never been one for the single shot smallbore's but one like that could change my mind.
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Post by blackisler » Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:22 pm

Thanks for tthe offer Adam I would have liked to take you up on the rifle but I have just picked up a Finnish Lion recently and dont have any more space for . 22 cal at moment.
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