Gun Laws review

[dhtaxi]

Gun Laws are in the lime light again looks like truoble ahead they are calling for all guns to be stored at gun clubs and ammunition to be restricted after a recent shooting in Cumbria.

[blackisler]

so we are going to get that old chestnut again next there will be calls to ban them all

[ordonnanz gewehr]

Prosecute the shooter, not the gun...

[dhtaxi]

The shooter shot him self so no body to prosecute.

[ordonnanz gewehr]

I've educated myself a bit more now...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jun/0 ... rrick-bird
Mental illness (or just plain insanity) is tough to legislate.
If any or all individuals along the chain of events were legally armed, then this massacre could have been, at lest partially avoided.
This precisely is where government has failed the victims and in my opinion is partially responsible.
The exact opposite of ever tightening gun restrictions is the solution to more public safety.
The answer is a sane, legally armed citizenry without violent criminal convictions that look out for each other.

[Niner]

Welcome to the site ordonnanz gewehr. You are not alone in your opinion and are welcome to say it here as you would be on any number of assorted other gun sites. And I feel many of the members here would agree with you. Me..for my two cents.... think people should be able to enjoy the freedom to own guns with as little government control as is possible. What is happening in the UK is nothing that law abiding citizens of a free nation should have to put up with. However, I don't really find any solice in a lot of people walking around with consealed weapons waiting for a chance to use them on the first person that seems to threaten them. Some of the biggest fools I know brag they have concealed carry permits, and yes, none of them have any criminal record....yet. But it's a time bomb waiting to explode for some of them, I think.

[ordonnanz gewehr]

Thanks for your welcome, Niner.
Yes, even licensed individuals can get into trouble.
Just look for instance at driver licensees.
All of them pilot a potentially deadly weapon.
Some occasionally get angry in traffic.
A few make the wrong choice after closing down the pub on Saturday night.
If they break the law their license will be revoked.
But until that time there is no reason to deny the license.
Fools will be fools, but in my experience people that have gone through the trouble to attend the required educational classes, have paid application fees and submitted themselves to an FBI background check are fully aware of their rights and responsibilities. Here in the State of Tennessee, Handgun Carry Permit Licensees are not in any way deputized. They are only permitted to defend themselves and others when confronted with imminent death or grave bodily harm.
This appears to have been the situation in Cumbria.
Lives could have been saved…

[Niner]

Just for the sake of discussion about what those that carry do or do not know about rights and responsibilities. And....I do respect what you say and understand your point of view completely. And I think everybody ought to do what they think is best and take advantage of whatever legal liberty that is available to them for as long as it exists. And I hope all potential freedom exists long after I'm dead and gone. It's just I have had some experiences that left me not too sure about what kind of trouble I could get into if I went around armed......permit or not.

Twice in my life, a year or so apart and a long time ago, two different punks tried to hold me up by pretending to have a gun consealed in their clothing. Once, when I was running a store and had a gun hidden away and another time outside in a bad neighborhood I had a reason to be in because I had a real crappy job......and without any gun. Both times, when confronted as a holdup, not seeing any actual gun, I dared them to show it to me.....I was young and dumb then. Neither actually had a gun and they both ended up retreating. Now....if I had had a gun and pulled it and blasted them , taking them at their word........ when the cops came to see what the shooting was about....and there was no gun on the subject...and he was dead, which is the way I would have played it.....well what do you think would have happened then? If I said, "Well the man said he had a gun and I shot him", would that get me a pat on the back and let me off the hook?

[ordonnanz gewehr]

Niner, your experiences are food for thought.
You were the intended victim of a crime and if the perpetrator had convinced you in the belief that he was in possession of a deadly weapon and that he imminently intended to cause you death or grave bodily harm then you would have had justifiable cause.
It seems you made a decision to use prudence, since it stands to reason that a perp with an actual deadly weapon would have no reason to conceal it during a mugging.
You showed courage and didn’t fall for the old finger under the coat trick.
The challenged mugger retreated.
What the real world outcome would have been if you had used deadly force is open to speculation.
Without witnesses many considerations would have come into play.
The crime scene.
Your behavior and actions immediately following the incident.
Was the firearm used to defend yourself legal and legally in your possession?
The background of both parties in the incident, etc.
A Grand Jury would make a decision whether or not to bring charges in the first place.
Honestly, depending on circumstances the outcome could have gone either way.
I’ve heard it said “I’d rather be judged by twelve than carried by six”…

[dhtaxi]

Welcome to milsurp after hours ordonnanz gewehr.